most of my routines are "gimmicks/games": i am running the 5-question-lying game, the cube, strawberry fields, kill-marry-shag, trust test, best friend test.
problem is, i cant run all of these after each other or i will look "try-hard" (>> that means i am trying too hard to entertain them and thus lose social value and thus their interest in me drops.)

because i know i cant run them all, i run out of material after 1-3 routines and then my only solution is eject and open new set...
i need to stay in conversation with any girl for like 20 minutes....but i cant seem to do that now.

any suggestions?
i think i need some routines that have less entertainment value, because now i am like some kind of try-hard game show host

or should i just ask some boring stuff in between like "where are you from"/"what do you do"

please advise....

Are you talking about club sarging?

Set yourself a time constraint, and don't try to have a long conversation.

Small talk is a DLV, it shows you're interested.

Leave once you have their attention, and if you played right they should come back to you.

Please, avoid the interview style questions at all costs. If you're having some trouble making conversation, then prepare some topics related to personal experiences, current events, and pop culture, and shit. Honestly, it really doesn't matter what the fuck you talk about. Tonality and confidence are what help you to get shit done. If you believe your own nonsense, she'll believe it too.

Become good at story telling. If you can tell an interesting story then you can have a very long conversation if you want to. Plus you can keep leaving open threads and coming back to them later, which is great for building rapport, and giving the impression that you and the hb have loads to talk about.

yes i am talking about club sarging...

(thats why i never do the "where are you from" questions)

so i only do gimmicks.... and yes... i also have 2 stories, but what else can i do to make convo's longer? (in a club)

if we split and she comes back later its fine too, but then i also run out of material... so same thing: i need 20 minutes stack...

if i have 20 minutes of routines , and practiced that 100x, i can easily put all my effort in body language, but i just dont have this 20 minute talk yet.

what stuff do you guys run in clubs? what routines... i need more (and stuff that can follow up others)

Fuck i tried it tonight. It works!!!!

Your only solution? Why? That's like saying, "Hey, check this out" shortly followed by "Now I don't know what else to talk about so I'm gonna leave now." Talking and talking and talking will get you nowhere. You need to be able to escalate. It is your duty as a man to take charge of the interaction and lead it where you want it to go. It is not your duty to talk to her until she gets interested enough to jump your bones. And let's face it, that's never gonna happen. So, instead of asking for 20 minutes worth of material what you SHOULD be asking is how to escalate the interaction to where you want it to go. I mean seriously, where would you go after that extra material? You would eject again because you don't know where to go from there - and don't try to say otherwise because if you knew where to go after 20 minutes of material you'd already realise that you can escalate after a single routine.

You're not going to seduce her with gimmicks alone. You seduce her with YOU, not routines. After you do a routine and she becomes invested in the conversation switch off all that shit and get to know her a little, do a little push/pull or C&F with her and have some fun. Fun, god damnit. That's the key. This is not a science lesson. You're thinking way too much about what to do and you're taking the interaction too seriously.
No, you don't. Where do you get this idea from? You don't even NEED to keep a conversation going for 5 minutes. You simply keep it going for as long as is natural. If you try to keep a conversation going longer than is natural for you, she is gonna see that you're trying to keep her around and will make some excuse to get the fuck outta there. What are your goals? What do you want from this girl?

Pay attention here. In the daytime, you talk a little and when you run out of things to say you let her know you have to get going and move on, getting her number so you can call her. There is no awkward moment there because you haven't tried to make conversation outlast its natural flow. It's the same with people you already know, isn't it? You talk a little, have a quick catch up, and when the conversation runs dry you both say your goodbyes and get back to whatever it is you were doing. Simple rule - if you don't do it with friends, don't do it with strangers. Trying to keep the conversation going for too long can come across as needy, unless of course she is really hot for you, in which case she won't really care. Don't think for a minute that ejecting right after your routine is a good thing though.

You may be thinking that using the daytime as an example to prove my point is irrelevant, because club game is so much different. However, the above rule still applies. The only thign is, instead of getting her number before moving on, you want to be together with her when you leave the place rather than calling her up and meeting her a few dys later. Right? So, because of this, a number close is pretty much useless. "What do I do then, Mr. Dalziel?", I hear you ask. Well, we've covered what NOT to do so I'd like to reiterate those points - don't just eject, don't aim for a number close, and most importantly, don't try to continue the conversation along the same path if it isn't natural to do so. Even if you start a whole new thread of conversation it still looks like you're fishing for ways to keep her talking to you. The longer you do that, the longer it looks like you're afraid to get to the point, and the less likely she is to reciprocate interest in you.

Once you do your routine and talk a little about it, and you find yourself not knowing what to say after that, move things up a gear. Look her in the eyes, tell her you just realised something and wait a few seconds to build suspense... then tell her you just realised how hot she is. I can already hear all the keyboard jockeys screaming at their screens right now, "BUT DALZIEL! COMPLIMENTS ARE BAD!!". Yeah, if she isn't interested in you or you compliment her with supplicating body language they are. At this point you have approached confidently in an indirect way so as to fly under the radar, and got her interested in you a little. This is the key. See, if a girl isn't sure about a guy, and he shows interest in her, whether he displays this directly or she hears of it from a friend, she becomes wary and maybe even a little creeped out. But, if a girl likes a guy and she finds out he likes her too, how do you think she feels? She certainly doesn't feel threatened.

And that's pretty much it. She'll smile, maybe look a little embarassed, and you can go straight in for a kiss. You can even run a kiss gambit if you're unsure about it.

Got all that? Good. Forget about stacking routines and focus on actually escalating.

thanks dalziel... i really appreciate your long reply.

i think you are right.
actually my old natural ways were very direct, i didnt hide my interest in a girl. i was so bad that straight away they knew i wanted to fuck them. but somehow this still worked for me sometimes and i did pretty well with that before my pua-days.
since i am into this pua-stuff i am actually hiding my interest so much that i never escalate. i am leaving the girls in the dark and even when they try to put me in a frame that i am trying to win them over, i reframe it immediately, so i never fall in that trap. i am now so good at covering my old ways (hiding my interest), that they might even think that i am gay so to speak (didnt hear it from them though), thats how good i hide it.
so i guess i went a little overboard... i am hiding interest so much that i never escalate.... tonight i am going to escalate again! (like i used to do before, except that i now just open without interest)
i think it will also make me more congruent, so i will feel more natural...

maybe its also because i open everybody nowadays (most girls i open, i dont even like them), even when i stumble upon a hot girl i treat her like the rest, because its now all practice for me. (and in the past i only opened hot girls that i actually wanted and was focused on that, so i would escalate naturally).

Lucas007 I think you may want to work on your social skills more than your routine. Because it seems you are having trouble keeping the conversation going because you only rely on memorized routines and nothing else. It seems that your routines are the only tool in your tool box which is a bad thing to have as its never good to just have one tool for use.

The only routine if any that I use is saying hi and making some direct and/or forthcoming comment about the girl I approach or the environment we are in and depending on how the girl responds I would either eject or continue talking to her. But there have been quiet a few times where I just dove in saying what ever and taking it from there.

I would try juggler's routine of just making a statement and seeing how they respond, obviously it should be interesting and "respondable" but i find that if you try too hard the convo just crashes anyway so don't try to interrogate to stimulate