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PostPosted: Sat Nov 03, 2007 1:46 am 
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Hey all,

I feel like there's something holding me back. And that is my past. I'm just going to dive right into the problem here... I had terrible, absolutely terrible experiences in middle and high school. I had the shit beaten out of me, mentally and physically. I've been labeled a "loser" for the past quarter of my life. And it wasn't something I could do much about. It was like a negative loop. The more I was picked on, the more down I felt... And it cycled, over and over. I let it slip from the beginning, and that was it. I couldn't pick my head up.

So let's go back to the field. I'm in a club, at the bus stop, in a cafe, anywhere. And I see a potential set. I go to approach. I've learned to handle my approach anxiety by now, it feels great. But just as I start talking, I instantly start feeling like a complete loser. My past comes right back to me. I'm in 10th grade again, having some tough kid talking shit to me, shoving me around. I'm being called a loner by a group of girls. I'm depressed. It all just comes back... It's such a strong association.

How do you guys think I should go about handling this? What are some ideas for ditching the past and moving on? I'm having great trouble establishing a resourceful, powerful frame. My consciousness just says "uh-huh, no way! You're still that looser from years ago." I'm really stuck here, guys. I've done research, I've tried all sorts of mental tricks, reframing, anchors, un-anchoring, submodelities... But it's still tearing me apart.

Any help would be greatly, greatly appreciated. And please understand that telling me to "grow up and get over it" won't help. I've deeply anaylized the problem myself, and I've told myself this, tried this... I'm really stuck here.

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Time. Its the only thing that will actually help here. All other solutions will be temporary at best. I'm assuming you are now in college? Or at least out of high school? Just remember, any set you open is a new group of people who know nothing about you. In fact, unless you make some sort of lasting impact, you mean nothing to them. It won't be easy to get over this, and nothing anyone posts here will change what you think of yourself. You have to do the hard work and forget about the past, just look forward.

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You can't change the past, once you forget about it then you will be able to enlarge your future. Try to stop thinking about the past and focus on the future. And like 96Firebird said, no one on here is going to be able to tell you something that will instantly work...keep at it man and stay positive.

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Stop being a fucccccccccccccccccccccckkkking chump. Dude get over it. I hate it when guys cry rivers like this. Seriously, STFU!

Ok. hate me now? or should i insult you some more. But before you answer that, how about i tell you that you've shown allot of confidence to speak out about you flaws and seek help about them; and in doing so you are one step closer to being that Alpha that is dormant within you. Confused? good.

Now could you note that by what i have said above, your opinion of me has probably changed at least twice in the space of the time it took you to read up to this point. Something like "what an asshole" to being concerned and somewhat helpful. The whole point of this exercise is that someones opinion of another is so transient that its is totally useless to possess it in your mind. Most peoples mental pain and anguish is developed from their memories, so all you can do is ignore these thoughts. Live in the now, forget the past and don't worry about the future.

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Thanks for the feedback guys. I completely understand, fully, that nothing here can solve this problem. I never expected this, nor was I asking for a complete solution. I'm not "crying", I've presented my problem and I'm being serious here. It's like a mental block I am suffering from. I'm asking for a bit of advice from someone who has experienced a similar problem.

If you want my question asked in a more technical sense, what are some effective methods you have used for destorying anchors? Associations that have been with you for a quarter of your life?

I see no reason to say "STOP CRYING!", as that's the exact opposite of what I'm doing. I'm handling this like a man. I really think you need to chill, ForgiveMyGame, and read my post more carefully before you leap into a response.

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I see no reason to say "STOP CRYING!", as that's the exact opposite of what I'm doing. I'm handling this like a man. I really think you need to chill, ForgiveMyGame, and read my post more carefully before you leap into a response.
you missed the point of my post. I was responding in a stereotypical way in order to show you that what people say should roll like water off a ducks back. Did you even read the second paragraph? You know you're not "crying" yet you've taken it on board and as a personal threat when i was being random with insults; i said anything to piss you off on purpose. This IS perhaps your problem. You think i don't get self concious? everyone does. Let me tell you this, i focused alot more of my energy on trying build confidence and escape depression than trying to lay chicks, like alot of guys on here. You're talking to someone who has similar problems and im trying share what i've found on a similar journey. You are NOT what people define you as, they know fu*k all about who you really are. Right now you took my insults on board and had enough energy to devote the last paragraph directly to me! Just let things like that breeze past you, don't catch them. Im sorry if you misunderstood my original post but perhaps if you read it again in the light of this you may see my point.
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I see no reason to say "STOP CRYING!", as that's the exact opposite of what I'm doing. I'm handling this like a man. I really think you need to chill, ForgiveMyGame, and read my post more carefully before you leap into a response.
you missed the point of my post. I was responding in a stereotypical way in order to show you that what people say should roll like water off a ducks back. Did you even read the second paragraph? You know you're not "crying" yet you've taken it on board and as a personal threat when i was being random with insults; i said anything to piss you off on purpose. This IS perhaps your problem. You think i don't get self concious? everyone does. Let me tell you this, i focused alot more of my energy on trying build confidence and escape depression than trying to lay chicks, like alot of guys on here. You're talking to someone who has similar problems and im trying share what i've found on a similar journey. You are NOT what people define you as, they know fu*k all about who you really are. Right now you took my insults on board and had enough energy to devote the last paragraph directly to me! Just let things like that breeze past you, don't catch them. Im sorry if you misunderstood my original post but perhaps if you read it again in the light of this you may see my point.
Best of luck.
Hey, yeah I did read the second parahraph. I think I just misunderstood the idea behind your post. It's all good :).

I see what you're saying. I need to focus my energy not on the past, but on the future. On improving myself. Thanks a lot.

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I agree with the way forgivemygame went about his post. The whole point behind this is that you have social insecurities... Much like most of the guys on this website... To fix this problem you just need to be an asshole yourself for a while... it worked for me :-)

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Go back and think about the past, and look at it with what you would do now. This makes you accept your past and look at it from a more mature perspective. This should help you with the feeling you are getting.

Also, try not to think about it that much. And when you do get the feeling and an approach goes wrong hit the delete button and start fresh with the next set.


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I have learned a lot of techniques for dealing with pain from the past and I would say that, yes, your problem will take time, but there is a way to speed up the process. Okay....i've never really put this into words...so I'll do my best to explain it. I don't know if u've heard of David Deangelo. He is an excellent source for building ur inner game. His cd set called on being a man was very inspiring. He's definitely the best guru for inner game. In that cd set, he said something that had a huge effect on me. It's a technique called "following the grief down." Basically, he says that men don't feel enough emotions, and that emotions are critical. The more emotions you have, the more alive u are and the more motivation u have. For men, grief is the doorway to emotions.

In that cd set, he and Dr. Paul recommend reliving your griefs, and feeling the pain of it as much as u can, while still reframing them with ur new beliefs to squeeze all of the pain out of your bad experiences and using that energy to build a life of much richer emotions. Just like Dr. Paul says, anger and anxiety are the two main "negative emotions", but they're not necessarily bad emotions at all, otherwise the wouldn’t have survived through evolution. You’re supposed to use your anger as a tool for assertiveness. That’s the reason it exists. Anxiety is a tool for confidence. And the fact that u might have a lot of it, could be a very good thing, depending on whether u use it for the right things. There’s a diagram about that on Dr. Paul’s website. You’re gonna have to look at it urself, because it’s kind of a lot to explain. But the point is that as long as u are both positive and active about anger and anxiety, they will benefit u. You need to learn reframing (changing the context in which u view things). David D teaches that and NLP does. What I’ve discovered is that one mechanism that has evolved in ur mind for survival during evolution is that ur mind shifts back and forth from “positive filter mode” to “negative filter mode.” Basically, in order to motivate you to do things that helped u survive during evolution days, your mind shifted back and forth from viewing all the good things to viewing all the bad things. So, when you are having a complex cycle, you have no point in analyzing things in that context because your unconscious mind just keeps throwing negative things at u. I do something that is like tricking my unconsious mind.
Now, I’m at the point that whenever I don’t wanna feel a bad emotion and I have the chance to concentrate, I can turn back into a good mood every time if I don’t wanna feel it. What I do is I think, “All right. Here’s a bad emotion. Here’s a chance for me to get stronger, more motivated and more alive.” And it actually works, every time. It’s all about reframing. Reframing can fix anything.
Another thing is I found out that no matter how high status u are, your mind will still go back and forth from positive filter to negative filter, because that’s what evolved for u to be able to live like u do. It’s like emotions are drugs that ur mind is addicted to, and after too much chemicals from positive emotions, ur brain will crave pity. What a really good thing to do is, since ur brain will shift to negative mode anyway, is to intentionally think about the bad things for a designated period of time, so ur brain gets its fill for negative emotions. So, you can have a “pity party,” as Sean calls it from double ur dating, where you think about all the bad things and start feeling sorry for urself. And during that process, you think in the back of ur mind that u are doing a good thing by feeling those emotions and investing them into ur life instead of trying to avoid them. What it is is tricking your unconscious mind. It is getting its hit from the pity, but you’re still not feeling bad, because you know you are benefiting from it. So, before you go out, have one of those pity parties. That way, not only will ur brain not feel the need to go back into negative filter mode, but you will also be more aware, alive, and you will be able to see the useful, attractive emotions in ur face that u just generated. Just as ur brain will get tired of feeling positive emotions, if u give it a lot of pity, it will get tired of that too. You can set a timer for one hour of pity, and then commit to feeling good. And I’m telling you, by going back and feeling that grief. It will run out. And it will give u a life much richer of emotions, which will make u more attractive to women and be more motivated for everything else. And once you squeeze the grief out of ur bad experiences, they will mean nothing to u, because emotions are what cause meaning. The more emotions u feel for something the more it means to u. Just like u don’t care about a bum on the street calling u a retard, if ur boss calls u a retard, he’ll cause a lot more bad emotions, because you perceive him as much more MEANINGFUL. Get on being a man from DYD. BTW, you should really listen to Sean’s success story on double your dating. It was extremely inspiring for me. He’s a guy in a wheel chair that broke like 88 bones and is still pickin up chicks. He’s a motivational speaker. He had a great speech about beliefs. Buy cocky comedy from DYD. He’s also in approaching women in DYD. Listening to ppl with much bigger disadvantages than u makes u feel more confident.

Also picture that you probably live in the US, which means life was much much easier for u. It is all a matter in how u frame (picture) the situation. If u live in the us in the 21st century, you have no right to complain. Everything else is in ur head. And there are more than enough phycological tools to solve any problem like that. I’m sure basically all of ur pain was created by your own mind. Reframing and going out despite ur past will solve that. BTW, read Radical Honesty. Amazing book. It talks about how the majority of deaths in the us are caused by lying to urself. It talks about being radically honest in every way. The biggest thing I got from it was that standards and ideals of the way things should be make u feel more “secure” of what situation u are in…that’s why people join the punk crowd or the goth crowd etc. But you need to reject standards in general. They are in fact, what kill u, literally. They are merely ideals. There is no such thing as a loser, or perfect, or prep. Those are all labels people use to make them feel more sure about the world. The book says the reject all those labels and just live. What other people think is none of ur business. Whoever has the stronger frame absorbs the other persons in his own reality. Make other people a guest in ur reality, not the other way around.
People follow those with the strongest beliefs. The book says that when you are born you have no distinctions in ur mind. This time is called unity…The book says that whatever u think u are is not really who u are until u stop believing in the ideals and labels that u were sucked into by society and make ur own beliefs and build on and then you once again achieve unity. That is when u find out ur true self. As Freud said, Reality is distorted from the beginning, so there’s no reason taking anything too seriously. Plus, you only think with 10 percent of ur brain….and ur brain is always trying to manipulate u. Since ur brain is so limited in reality u have no reason to take anything too seriously. Whenever u try to predict someone’s behavior in a complex situation….you are almost always wrong because ur brain is not actually all that smart. It’s actually pretty stupid. So theres no point in overanalyzing. Plus, u should never care what other people think, because ironically the only thing that makes them think bad is u caring what they think. Giving others the authority to label u is the only reason they do. They reason people hang on to labels is that it gives them a sense of security…At first it’s a little uncomfortable not knowing exactly who you are. But it gives u a lot more freedom and happiness. Be like the Beetles and let it be. And anytime u wanna make a new belief just write it down and repeat it enough times and it will become true. After all, that’s the only way beliefs become true. That’s the only reason the Puritans believed in witches. Are u gonna be manipulated in the same way? Use hypnosis and music to motivate yourself and your beliefs. They are very powerful. Don’t ever let anyone else tell u who you are. You rely on yourself for ur own security. Another thing is that if u can’t put a thought into words, then it’s not based on anything. So if u feel bad about yourself, try to put it into words. If ur not putting ur thoughts into words during a complex then the only thing controlling it is ur unconscious mind. And during a negative filter it’s just gonna feed u shit. Also, reframe every bad thing u perceive into a positive how-to question. If u ask urself negative questions ur unconscious mind will respond negatively accordingly, because u are framing the thought to negative mode. And if it’s not in words, you’ll just be fed a random though that u have no control over which depends on your mood. Here’s an example. Don’t think “How can I not look like a loser.” Instead think “How do I look like the coolest guy in the club.” Every time u need to reframe because ur mind will answer in the same kind of mood. Okay, and finally, keep in mind that when u approach a woman, you’re not fearing her or what she thinks, but of death. If u haven’t heard of that, go to youtube and listen to mystery talk about why men are afraid of the approach. Use quotes and success stories to motivate u too. Anyway, I hope I’ve helped…I didn’t actually mean to write this much, but I’m glad I did if this helps you. I know probably some of this is unclear. As I said, I never really talk about this. If u have any questions, just ask.


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YOU ALONE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SUCCESS. You’re unemployed and looking for a job. You’re still living with your parents who drive you insane as you yearn to move out into your own bachelor pad. You want to go to law school but can’t afford it. Your latest girl just left you. You sit home night after night browsing PUA sites but don’t go into the field. Life is full of SHITTY circumstances. The economy sucks now, gas and everything is fucking expensive. But you know what? Let’s say ALL OF THE ABOVE are affecting you. Now…imagine if you are getting laid every night as a result of your PUA activities or you have the best girlfriend in the world who you met off a cold approach. Will any of the aforementioned really bother you as much? NO. Negativity is not something you feel because of external factors. It is something YOU CHOOSE to CREATE WITHIN as your response to what you experience. But if you choose to be HAPPY, or to devote yourself to HAPPINESS-GENERATING ACTIVITIES, you WILL BE HAPPY. 90% of your life is within your control, only 10% is out of your control in reality. And if you make that 90% the best it can be, the 10% won’t matter. Rule #4 is VITAL to PUA but even more importantly it is VITAL to life in general. I’ve seen many successful PUAs that make AFCs everywhere jealous and yet at their core they are miserable people because outside of the game their life is miserable because they haven’t realized the power of applying PUA thinking or positive thinking in general to life in general.

I wrote alot about this on my blog.. so you can click the link in my sig if you want but above is the most relevant and important part for you. The pain of the past can be devastating... but you can move past it my friend.

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We all feel your pain here my friend. Many people have horrible pasts that haunt them (Mine isn't all that bad so I cannot complain) and I have found the best thing for me is to completely focus on right now.

It might just sound like a really stupid thing to say but, your past is simply that, the past. And important realisation is that, what has happened to you doesn't actually exist anymore. Your mental conscious, on it's level, will reject that saying that 'Oh I was a victim, I had a terrible past', but truly, your conscience isn't you. I found a man by the name 'Eckhart Tolle' a great help in focusing all my energies to the future. I honestly think you should, putting cynisism aside, have a quick listen and see if you like his work.

I truly hope that it all works out for you Jason. Truly, you are a cool guy but you are not your conscience and you are not your past. You are just you, you do not need a past or future, just what you are right now.


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I know it's easy to say, but it's true. The only place where those experiences still exist is in your head. This is not the past, you are not what you were years ago. Sure, memories will still have some effect on you, but you can decide for yourself how much. By talking to us on this forum you've proven that you're willing to change. Good luck.


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Dude, you need to handle your past. You do that by going to gym and buffing up, taking some Muay Thai lessons and learning to beat people up. Then you meet that kid and if he doesn't apologize, then you beat the shit out of him. I had the same problem, but now it isn't a problem anymore, because although I haven't met the guy who showed me around and harassed, I know that if I met him I could fuck him up badly if he ever dared to talk shit to me again. I say - gym + fighting = uber self confidence.


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