Well then if u were in the same situation as the guy in the mall , what would you do? Day game is one of my biggest sticking points , especially in the mall (grrrr).

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Opening with “Can I have your number?” or “You’re the most beautiful girl I’ve seen today” is fine for fun, building confidence, smashing AA. But, where’s the game – the follow up?

A PUA aims to control the interaction (or should), although it’s obviously dynamic. He has a game plan (or rough one), from open to close. For example, I see a set in the mall with a blonde as the target. My objective is to hook the set, kino & qualify the target then number close:

Me: (Approaches from an angle, relaxed, confident, shoulders upright) Hey Guys
Set: (Smiles, looks at me)
Me: (Not making much eye contact) I’m looking for a shoe shop, round here somewhere? (I’m animated, drawing a circle in the air when I say ‘round here’, I’m dominant in my space.)
Set: Ohh, we sort of vaguely remember one… somewhere?
Me: Great, was it a trendy shoe shop? Let me tell you why quickly….
Set: (Smiles) ok.
Me: Every year I meet up with my old school buddies, and we all dress in different colours – yeah, I kow it’s crazy. But we love it and it’s an outrageous laugh.
Me. (Points at target) What do you think of blue?
Target: Blah, blah (it does not matter what she says).
Me: (Kino target) Blah, blah (respond oppositely to her comment with C&F). Wow, I like you (strong EC and I'm obviously showing interest in the target with my body language). Have you thought about wearing blue?
Target: (Laughs)
Me: Listen guys, I gotta go (adressing the set except target). Are you ok with me getting your friends’ number, she's kinda funny?
Set: Yeah.. (smiles)
Me: (To target) What’s you name?
Target: Paris (blushing)
Me: Cool, I’m Brad, put your number in here…
Me: I’ll call ya next week and we’ll do coffee.

Obviously, you need to create your own routine which revolves around your reason for being in the mall in the first place... then just practice it a few times.

Thanks...shall definitely work on it.

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I think you guys are giving advice on Direct approaching from the perspective of indirect/canned game.

Let me set you guys straight on a few things.

I'm in the process of calibrating Direct ino my reality. It's a complete shift from indrect/technique based game, and it takes time, although I'm already starting to get a feel for it.

What I need to do next is take the good responses further, i.e. actually close them for an instant date or number.

Those videos were entertaining, but those guys are 'direct afcs'. I can assure you what is do is nothing like them!

Anyway, I need to get over my sticking point of ejecting from sets that are going well. I need to really push to close those good interactions.

I will be back out in field again soon!

Ask yourself this question, and really think about this:
What is it that causes you to eject? Is it fear of failure, or fear of success?
What other thing in your life have you done that can be thought of as a metaphor for what you are doing right now with this "50 Direct" experiment?

You need to re-read your posts: you are being both direct and indirect, and totally AFC-like. For example:
Also, I seriously doubt you are conveying sincerity (congruency with your words and actions) while opening.

No, I was only 'indirect' in the first couple of approaches, I'm fully Direct now.

There is nothing 'AFC' about my approaches....being Direct is being Authentic, Real and Masculine, without hiding behind techniques and tactics.

If anything, PUA=AFC with techniques. I've moved on from all the PUA tactics stuff now.

As I am being totally honest and authentic about my intentions, I am sincere and congruent.

Thanks, that insight helped me. I've answered those questions for myself (no need to post my answers here as only I need to know the answers).

Now onwards....

Brad is bringing up some exellent points here; From everything I know about it, Direct game requires you to be completeley congruent with the fact that you are the best guy out there and that they should be honoured to talk to you. In my opinion, it's a better idea to start off using indirect game (The M3 Model), build yourself a PUA lifestyle and frame, then move onto direct game if you feel it's more 'you'.

I'd say you need to work yourself out a few (5 would be good, 3 will do for the time being if you cant work out more) solid DHV routines, specifically ones that tick off Pre selection, leader of men and Good Emotional Wiring.
Once you have these, use whatever opener you like, and start working them into conversations.

The direct approaches that you are doing now are great for getting rid of AA, and I can definatley see you becoming a master of this (You are moving faster than I did, let me tell you), but you might want to consider a few different techniques to find out what game works best for you.

In summary; Direct approaching as a beginner is hardcore, I would not reccomend it. Make yourself a stack of routines and try out indirect approaching with DHV's to follow it up. I can almost garuntee that you wil get a much better response if you build attraction like this before going for a close.

LOL! Your comments are ill thought out. I could respond in depth, but don’t see the point because you are at least moving forward to some degree.

However, it could be argued that being direct, in the way you are doing it at least, is the most superficial of all ‘methods’, because you are basing your interest in a woman on her looks alone, rather than her personality.
Really, so how many women per day are you telling that they are the most beautiful thing you’ve seen?

Sorry, but I cannot stomach taking advice from people who do canned routines or indirect game.

I'm past that stuff now and have moved onto authentic/direct approaches.

Brad, what sort of 'game' are you using?

I used to use canned material, and all the PU techniques etc etc, but I grew tired of the PU community. It's like some weird cult or something with all the PU clones running around using the same canned routines.

What happens when you do canned game is you become a flawed character, in that you become really incongruent and fake. You literally have a 'fake outer layer' that you're using to attract girls.

What Direct is all about is simply tapping into your natural inner confidence, being your authentic self, and simply being real, straightforward and honest about your desires and intentions.

Direct works on the basis that some girls will like you, some girls won't, and your job is to find a girl that a)you like and b)also likes you. The trouble with the 'canned game guys' is they've bought into this bullshit lie that it's somehow possible to 'get any girl'. Well let me tell you, that is complete horseshit, as no guy on this earth can pull ANY girl.

The truth is, some girls like you, some don't, end of.

The thing about me saying 'You're the most beautiful girl I've seen all day' is that it's not a line or a routine, it's just me being truthful and honest about my desires.

I am already starting to get Direct/Authentic seduction calibrated and it's just a matter of time before I start getting instant dates, makeouts, numbers and lays from it.

Basically, I posted this experiement on a Direct forum, and I'm slightly unsure of why I even posted it here, as this is a PUA forum....i.e. indirect, canned, manipulative, technique based game....the complete opposite of what Direct is all about.

Ok Guitar_Whizz, you seem to have quite a few things wrong with the way you view indirect PUA, so I'll do what I can here to clear it up for you (Though, to be honest, I don’t think you'll listen anyway).

I won’t deny that this happens, but I can tell you that it is profoundly wrong and not a reflection of what a good indirect PUA is. Canned routines and openers are training wheels that rAFC's use to induct themselves into the game. You use those until you have the inner game to run your game without the need for them. That is ALL they are there for.
As for everyone using the same ones, this is something else that happens that really shouldn’t. True indirect PUA teaches that everyone should make up their own openers and DHV's and work them. If they don’t, you are right and they are lying and putting on a fake mask in order to pick up.
Again, this happens, but it shouldn’t. A true PuA changes his personality to become more attractive. It's not some mask you wear, or a way of speaking, if you want it to happen, you have to LIVE it. It should be a part of you. You change yourself to be a better person.

So yes, there are some 'puas' (if you could call them that) that do this, and, I'll be blunt, I don’t know how well it works for them, but I can’t imagine it's very well.

Fair enough, I can see that working for some, but it's certainly not my cup of tea. Indirect game works on the basis that you can be friendly and interesting to most (I would generally use 'any', but It’s true that you'll find the rare girl that just doesn’t) girls in a non-threatening way such that you can have the best chance at conveying your attractive personality and traits to them, which gives you the best chance with them.

It's all about maximizing what you have, and generating opportunities to show that to girls.

Naturally, you will never be able to pull 'any' girl, but using indirect methods, you give yourself the best possible chance with every girl you open.
I didn’t want to have a go at you at all in this post (That's just poor form), but to be honest, that's a lie. 'You're the most beautiful girl I've seen all day' is a line through and through.

It you wanted to be truthful and honest about your desires, you would say "I think you're attractive and would like to have sex with you" to girls. To which, they would probably not react so well. You mask your desires (Albeit, a lot less than indirect game does) for the purposes of maximizing your chances with said girl.
I don’t doubt this, and to be honest, I'll be jealous of you when you get this working. As I am now, I can’t see me being able to pull off direct game in the slightest.
Hardly. Indirect PuA is not manipulative, though I'll admit it can be a little deceptive at times. Though honestly, I don’t think it's such a bad thing to feign disinterest in a girl for the purposes of making her more comfortable talking to you.

In summary; Direct is about being forward and proactive in demonstrating your interest in a girl with the hope of a positive response. It uses good body language, confidence and congruence with self as its main tools of attraction.

Indirect is about making the target feel comfortable and not threatened around you so that you have the best chance of conveying your higher value to her.

To each his own, but I have far more success with girls using indirect game, where I can hold a meaningful and fun conversation with them before I decide if I like them enough to continue. This is my personal style and opinion, so take it as you will.

If you can get direct game to work for you, good for you, but know that Indirect pua is not fake or manipulative, just a different approach to the same goal.

U r on the right track but never ask if their single, it's gives them the option to say they have a bf, and anyways if she feeling your game who gives a fuck unless u r looking for a girlfriend.

Approach 25, 20th June 2008, Piccadilly Gardens, Manchester
I was walking round Manchester last friday afternoon, when I decided to have a ganders round Picadilly Gardens. Basically, this is an area of grass where people sit and chill out when the weather is good. Anyway, while walking through the gardens, I noticed some blatant IOIs from a 2 set sat on the grass, so I walked past, then turned back round to go and speak to them. When I approached I just said 'Hi, how's it going...I think you're attractive and I thought I'd come over and say hi...can I introduce myself to you?'. They said 'yeah, sure', so I shook their hands and we name exchanged. I just had a bit of banter with them and stuff. I ejected myself as I was a bit out of state.

Approach 26, 21st June 2008, Wirral
I met up with KEYS over the weekend and we were driving round in his car on saturday looking for girls to approach. As we drove past a Subway (sandwich place), I noticed 2 hot blondes sat in the window eating their food, so I got KEYS to pull the car over round the corner so I could approach them. I walked past Subway, making it look spontaneous, then went in and straight up to the 2 girls. I said 'Excuse me (one of them turned round)...I was just walking past and I think you're attractive so I just wondered if I could get your number'. She blankly said 'no' and turned round again, total ice queen mode. I walked out, pleased I'd done this approach, although I must admit I felt a bit of AA due to the fact the place was empty apart from my 2 targets and the staff (who were watching me approach)....oh well, I felt good afterwards that I'd approached!

nice idea

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