right u know how mystery suggests only negging 9's and 10's because anything lower may have a low self esteem meaning u will make her feel bad rather than making her feel as if u are not attracted to her which is the aim of negging, so i been sticking to this ever since i got in the game but there have been 2 maybe three occasions were the girl was a 9 or 10 but her self esteem wasnt very high and this resulted in me thinking i could neg her but when it came to it they took it to heart and i didnt end up gaming them straight away i had to start from scratch which was a real pain in the ass. so basically wat i am saying is just because a girl is a 9 or 10 doesnt meen she is ready for a neg, or if a girl is below 9 or 10 she cant be negged, so i bothered by this and just the other night i found away around this, and it works like this if before u use a neg on a girl u run the cube, and then by doing this u can find out how she views her self, and if she has a big self esteem and is confident u can neg her later in the convo tell me wat u guys think and take it easy safe gaming

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Naw, I don't agree. See while you're right, chicks in general have esteem problems to one degree or another and often times some of the most gorgeous chicks are still insecure about shit. But negs are meant to be playful, you have to gauge accordingly and they are all about delivery. For example let's say you're gaming a chick who is kinda chunky (not that you even would, I'm just using this for an example mind you) then you wouldn't want to say anything to her along the lines of...

PUA: do you work out?
TARGET: yes/no
PUA: Oh, so are you like half way to your goal/I can tell

But the same neg used on a chick who is fit can be gold and the bottom line is, if you genuinely upset a chick with a neg, you move on, don't dwell on the fact you offended her, tell her "grow up" and change the subject. Negs were around way before they were ever called "negs". Give her a hard time and usually the rule is, treat a 9 or 10 like a 5 and they will love you. It's an interesting phenomenon that the the most beautiful women love being treated like shit. When I say that I'm not telling you or anyone else to go out there and be an asshole, I mean give them a hard time in a playful fun way, be kind of a jerk. The reason this works is because women of beauty to almost any degree, especially one in 9-10 range, are very used to being supplicated to, so when a guy comes along who is funny and doesnt worship them the result is attraction (bingo!). Again I can't stress enough how important delivery and timing are, there are negs that can be used on any chick and here are some i use constantly with great success, both one on one and in sets

I like your necklace...crackerjack box?
I like your shirt...salvation army?/did you make it?
Busy day? yes/no...I can tell, your hair is a mess/cus your hair is a mess
I love your complexion...oh wait that's just a bunch of make-up

Those are just a few, now any one of those said in the wrong tone, manner, way etc could get you slapped/rejected. But any of them in the right tone, with a playful delivery will make a chick laugh and she'll be thinking "hehe i like this guy he's funny" and you'll be making her friends laugh and she'll be thinking "hehe my friends like him too" and soon none of them will want you to leave the set. Furthermore the cube in my opinion is one of the best tools the PUA has in his arsenal for building a strong connection over a short period of time, I personally use it for isolation (hey I wanna show you something really cool, its a way for me to tell you things about you that you probably don't even know about yourself) after I have already gamed her for a while. Bottom line say what you will but say it with confidence in the right tone and you can't go wrong and on occasion when you do press too far, don't fail her temper tantrum shit test just move on with the sarge.

- d mid

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I did the same thing. I negged a 9.5 very mildly and it hurt her feelings. It got me several minutes of talk time with her, but most of the talk was about how mean I was for saying that. I just had to shrug it off, laugh, and tell her that I thought she could take a little playful criticism (also a neg) in order to avoid apologizing and being try hard. We ended up being friends (which sux) and even go out for drinks every now and then, but no matter how much I try to be nice to her I have forever earned the title of "my ass hole friend" to her. If I had of known her confidence was so low, I would have approached differently. Turns out this hotty hasn't had a decent date in 2 years, and she never gets approached. I know that its because she is intimidatingly good looking, but I don't try to show her that as I would like to get out LJBF-hell someday.

So, in order to avoid this, I have changed my entire approach routine. I know we are not supposed to open with a compliment, but so far I have had good results from looking over my shoulder at a girl, acting very sincere, and giving a small compliment about hair or clothes such as "you know, I saw that same shirt on a girl earlier, but you make it look like it is supposed to. Very nice". If I get a response like "yah, I know", or some other cocky response, I am pretty sure she is neg worthy. If I get something like "really? Thank you! Thats sweet." I tone the negging way down. Works so far. But what the hell do I know? Im just getting started.

Just getting started myself; but from my limited experience too, this sincere approach + opener (with a semi-neg: the fact someone else has her top), seems a good gauge of how she would respond to a more cocky funny pattern.

this should be helpful for me

Just a reminder... a neg is supposed to be a BACKHANDED COMPLIMENT.

If your neg hurts her feelings in any way, you're doing it wrong. It should be a light tease, not a slap-to-the-face.

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I can't really make my own thread. But it's related...

What do you do when you neg, and the response is "that's not nice!".
I was doing it in a joking way and it was a back-handed compliment. I guess I got that response because I didn't display enough value, but do you guys know any way of recovering from that?????

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Hey guys,

Dont forget, a neg is a form of a false disqualifier. If you feel that the negging goes wrong you could use an indirect false disqualifier... Like, if you talk to a blonde, mention some brunette in your past life that was really great looking. "I know most people are suckers for blondes but I dont know, I kind of prefer brunettes myself.". Or comment on another girl in the room who is really good looking. Not a direct neg to your target, you are just not interested, not yet anyway. You get the picture...

Phoenix

agreed.

if your target is taking it to the heart, you may be going a little too far. then again, some can take critisizm more than others. I told a HB last night at a gathering,

ME: "I don't think you'll fit here." (There was already 3 people on a 3 seater couch and she was trying to sit beside me)
TARGET: *sigh* YOU JUST TOLD ME I WAS FAT"
ME: You obviously like being called fat cuz of that big smile on your face
TARGET: *sits down*
ME: Notice how the couch just got a little lower?

then again, she might be going through social or relationship problems so keep that in mind.

i negged a coked out girl once and all it did was start a verbal fight. when she sobered up, she put a smile back on and started talkin to me. weird...

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I dont think any neg should be harsh enough to actually impact there self esteem wether its high or low.

A neg should just be a small joke or poking fun at the person in front of a crowd to prove you are not intimidated by them and it makes them want your attention more. People naturally want acceptance wether its from strangers or not, so if you go around poking fun at girls they will naturally chase after your acceptance and this is where the flirting begins.

Any neg that actually upsets a person high or low self esteem is always going to far.

How is that for a neg? (cant open new threads so here seems appropriate)

if you initiate a handshaking, and her grip is slightly tight
you go playfuly like that..
"wow while your hand looks very feminine, you have the strength of a grown gorilla"

or is it more kind of an insult?

I would have done this instead:

Handshake
PUA: (Awed expression) You have the strength of 10 Barbies
PUA: (To her friends) Is she always this brutal?

rofl, I like this one

This one is gold, used it last night and got a kiss close in about 20mins, lengthy but im just beginorz

i think a few ppl nailed it (especially Ezo and D Mid) with their definition of negging. remember guys when ur talking about an HB's rating out of 10 its not their actual rating out of 10 but its what they PERCEIVE THEMSELVES TO BE. so remember even a 9 to you could have the self esteem of a 5 and you'll have to calibrate accordingly.

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