Okay.. Learning time people.

So recently, I just had a revelation of something that's been happening FOREVER. Ever since guys started getting boners(around the age of 12-13), they've started to talk to women and tried to establish relationships.

Some guys got women in a snap and others... failed miserably.

Now, you probably wouldn't be reading this if you got women easily....So let's talk about How to talk to women.

Well.. Let's start with the basics. Suppose there's a hot girl you see, and I don't like rating girls but let's say she's a 10 out of 10. Just gorgeous. So all these guys see her and say, "Wow. She is really beautiful. I'll try and talk to her!" So she gets approached with things like:
- Hey I'm BLA, what's your name?
- Hey, you're really beautiful. Can I get to know you?

THE OVERALL MESSAGE IS:
- HI, YOU ARE SUPERIOR. PLEASE USE ME.

No, BAAADD. Why?? Because it's creepy. It's not being "nice". It's being a horny lap dog just hoping for the least bit of chance that she'll sleep with him. He doesn't even know the girl and apparently she's something special?? Creep.
Girls want a guy who's.. a GUY. Someone who'll take her away from all the guys who freak her out like this and who'll take her on an adventure.
And to think, she gets approached like this hundreds of times a year.

Let's see, suppose a girl gets approached 5 times a week (although it's more) and she goes out every week. That's 52 x 5 = 250 approaches.

Woahh, now there's ANOTHER reason why she'll probably ignore or let the guy who sucks up down. Even if she DID want to get to know him, she doesn't have the time to!! She has a life. She has friends. She's social. And so she has to choose, even if she doesn't want to. SOO, she chooses the ones that are full of energy and adventure. The ones that have a life of their own, that's as exciting or more exciting than hers.

Now, I believe that EVERYONE has an interesting life full of wonderful stuff. But they've just been approaching girls the wrong way. Why would a guy who has a good life of his own just go up to a random girl and be willing to give up his own self for her?? It's not "nice", it's awkward. Girls will be nice to THEM and say things like, "Let's just stay friends." or "I have to go..."

So... approach her with something that's not ALL ABOUT HER.

Some examples are... and these only work for me because it's WHO I AM, never copy other people. It doesn't work because it doesn't match who you are as an individual.
- Hey!! Do I look like a drug dealer to you??
- Hey!! I have a question.. (And then a question relating to MY LIFE)

It has to be about you, or at least just not ALL on her. You have to show her that you're somebody. Somebody who has an interesting life and full of adventure.

So please change for the better!

Yours truly,
Grape

Don't always trust what you read and take time to really give everything a fair chance. Telling a woman she is beautiful is not putting her on a pedestal; AFCs just make it that way. The words themselves can be very effective when executed the correct way and I am speaking from over 10 years experience with mastery of both direct approaches and a fully developed Mystery Method auto-pilot.

I have more recently experimented to great success approaching women with "You're sexy as fuck and I want to get to know you" and consistently had women say very positive things to the effect of "you're amazing! no one has ever come up to me and said that before!". It's not so much what you say as the vibe. If you can be alpha, convey the right sexual vibe and dominate her reality you can make almost anything work. This is where value building comes in with direct lines; you gain value in her eyes by showing alpha behavior in your opener and hit her attraction switches. Also SHBs rarely get hit on as you might think because so few men have the balls to approach a girl that hot at all let alone confidently.

A lot of men I know read the Mystery Method and then will cast off things like this as AFC when in reality they can have a far more powerful effect if you have the inner game and skills to use them. Take the time to try everything before you cast it off.
When you give the "I like you/want to get to know you" line as an alpha male women are usually flattered as long as you're solid and congruent. Women by and large are far more creeped out my Mystery Method PUAs which is why so many PUAs would never reveal their training to a woman. She gets approached with that line hundreds of times a year but she never really gets it from a man who can dominate her reality and is confident enough that he is COMPLETELY unintimidated by her and walks in and gets what he wants. I have blown PUAs in clubs out of the water using direct while a seemingly AFC man next to me was asking her opinion on what to name a couple of dogs.
It sounds like you learned the Mystery Method and drew conclusions about everything that wasn't Mystery Method.

- Chris

as well as doing the math...
52 x 5 is NOT 250... its 260...

52 x 5= (50 + 2) x 5= 5(50) + 5(2)= 250 + 10 = 260

just broken it down for you

pwnt!

hahah but i do think he has got some points tho
i just got back from sarging, well basically i was just doing a parade through the mall i looked good but i wasnt man enough to approach anyone. I didnt want to come over as needy and i tried to be high value which worked quite well only i still havent got anything cuz women dont approach that much..
but the ioi's stroke my ego which i needed since my gf doesnt pay much attention to me

peace

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Because girls don't like sex.. Yeah RIGHT!
Why else do you think girls have P*ssies

It's all about subcommunication, and that MUST take context (situation, tone of voice, body language) into account.

If you say, "You're beautiful" in an awestruck manner, you are communicating something like "I don't hang around people like you much. You are very special. I am inferior."

But if you say, "You're beautiful" in an admiring and unreactive way, it is saying, "I can recognize beauty when I see it, because I am an admirer of beautiful things. Perhaps you can be a part of my art collection."



Same words, different subcommunications. Not to say that words are unimportant, and in some ways they define the boundaries of what you are discussing, but the nuances--tonality, timing, situation, etc.) really make what you are saying

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Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
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I agree with Fiction. Couldn't have said it better myself.

- Chris

You're quite funny assuming I've only learned the M3 Model.
I posted this on my public blog the other day, got some good responses, and figured "Heck, the AFCs in PUAF will like this."
So quoting your response, I can say, AFCs, take my advice. There are other ways around approaching girls, but this is the simple way to start out and work off later. "Don't always trust what you read and take time to give everything a fair chance. Telling a woman she is beautiful is not putting her on a pedestal; AFCs just make it that way."(I love using peoples' own words for my benefit. ) And since this post was intended for newbies/AFCs, listen to me.

My apologies. Why are you so convinced you are right though, I am not saying you're wrong but who is to say you're right? Unless I am mistaken again it sounds like you are saying, "Don't listen to him. my answer is the right one so listen to me."

- Chris

Well you're right too. Except your method involves more things to focus on like the four main things to concentrate on:
- Body language
- Kino
- Vocal Tonality
- Smiling

Now, for AFCs, the easiest way to get STARTED is just changing their opening line, and then gradually advancing and getting better.