My genuine apologies for the Amog’ing haha, I was to preoccupied with the Grim Fandango music to read the post properly! DAMN YOU! So here are my thoughts.

You guys have to try ReadPlease 2003 its crazy LOL. The best way to read posts in the forum. http://www.readplease.com/ *laughs*

Yeh no, I do agree with allot of points, after RE-reading everything, and I do disagree with some too. I'll go into a little bit of debth here.
I suppose, but the point of this is to be someone else. To look through a eyes of someone who made it and take the correct attributes and understanding from that, and than to incorporate them into your personality. Your taking as David D would say a 'educational detour' from yourself. That doesn’t mean that you have to throw the routines away after you’ve completed this ‘education detour’. Once you understand it, you will probably make your own anyway, that suit you and your personality. As long as you understand the concepts i think your in no danger of effecting yourself rather bringing out the best self from within you, if that makes linguistic sense.

And here is the real funny thing about canned openers, and I will humor you all. Canned openers aren’t really openers, they are routines. And you have to use them to:

1.) Invoke her to invest time in you
2.) tease her, and make her feel good about your company and herself
3.) Bridge some type of social connection, which can be escalated to the point where you can demonstrate all the good things about you to her.

strange eh?

I think canned openers are a interesting concept, and I question if they should be used at all. Style and Mystery have spend ridicules amounts of hours rehearsing them in front of friends, mirrors, people before they apply it and make it sound congruent. I don't know if any of you are good poker players? but I cant keep a straight face.

Most important out of all this is for you guys to have fun, and know your main goal is to go and build attraction, have fun, and make her enjoy your company and presence. Your goals is NOT to get the girl, you’ll fail from that angle if you even try.
Work to do what? Depends on your goal, if you use them to begin something, perhaps get a conversation, yeh that’s cool. But people think all these openers/routines have magical powers that come from the words… its humoring, because that’s not really the case. It’s all really a excuse for her to start noticing you and gain attraction.

All in all you have to see and live through success to know what it means to have it and control it, and I think that’s what these routines and gambits try innocently to demonstrate. I don’t think that was what they aimed to do in the first place, but in light of giving it some genuine thought, that’s possibly the most useful outtake you can get from them.

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Back, starting over as of 2012.

I really agree with you on that,

Let's make this a little clearer, now that you bring these points out, I realize that it may STILL confuse some guys.

Let's go to your 1st point

The problem here goes to those "who DONT understand the concepts", and most of them are not properly taught, it's like starting to put bricks when you don't the have the base, it will fall on you.

Am I making sense here?

I don't know if everyone out there teaches things like:

CONTEXT (You know the opener iS OUT OF CONTEXT if she says things like "Why are you asking me this?" or something along the lines)

ENERGY (According to the moment, you won't go as energetic in a Starbucks as you will in a party)

These are BASICS, if you don't understand this, then your work is really NOT complete.

Now, to your 2ND point

It's NOT a bad idea to use Openers, nor routines, it's a good idea actually, like I said in the first post, They should be used to convey some ADDITIONAL personality, and just like you say to tease her, make her feel good and connect with you.

However, rememeber the First Impressions are crucial. There is some point in which a person relies so much in an Opener and a routine, that think this can do 'magical things' (Like you said, and I agree), and if your opener comes across as too fake (which most of the time, it will, c'mon they can tell IF you don't care about the answer, if you do, good) you will probably fail if your body languaje and voice tonality is not attractive.

So I would recommend to get things like Body Languaje, Voice Tonality and Inner game handled first.

And again the point is "Don't rely COMPLETELY on lines and routines"

Think of it as a "Second-hand type of game"

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Guys

The point is we're all naturally endowed in varying degrees. Some traits come to some people naturally while others will have to learn those trait.

If you have problems talking to a woman, you're 80% most likely to strutter at job interviews. Skills learnt in PUA community can also be applied in other areas of ones life. Thats why you have to go out there and sarge more to boost your self confidence.

Romeo7, I agree with you that one does not have to be a "social robot". An aspiring PUA must develop his own routine or improvise on the ones picked from The Game, MM or the community.

Like FDR said: If you try something and it works, try it some more. If it doesn't work, try something else. But for God sake try something!

Go out there sarge as much as possible so that you can discover your deficiency and work on improving them.

Big up to everybody in the forum

Keep the game tight
DaOracle