I don't tend to worry about any of that shit. Humans have a natural callibration meter to read in to when they are playing to hard to get too much or are not dosing things correctly and as long as they are being genuine and not making excuses for anything that meter will funtion perfectly. You were taught a system where everything needs to be done in order and in doses and time periods; when you go direct those rules apply far less because you are being 100% real and natural. It's when someone is worrying about "should I neg here?", "should I DHV here", "should I use c+f" and conciously trying to coordinate behavior that their callibration meter fails to function.

Direct however is very effective around hot girls and despite what logic and common misconceptions might suggest once you master direct it often works better the higher up you go on the HB ladder. Anyone who tells you that it only works well on lower women has not taken the time to master it. Girls are NOT scared by it but often flattered and amazed when direct is done the right way.

Most HB10s will be blown away by a blatantly confident man who is comfortable with his sexuality, tells her she is gorgeous and wants to get to know her with no apologies. As long as you have solid inner game direct works in bars, clubs, malls; I have done it everywhere and there is no where that upfront direct confidence fails with meeting women online being the one exception as you can't show confidence effectively.

Your statements sound like a lot of assumptions from drawing comparisons to the Mystery Method. Direct and indirect are two almost completely opposite concepts and many rules which apply to one do not apply to the other.

C_n12...can you please go into depth with your profound techniques of getting over AA at a core level? I've seen a few posts about it but no explaination as to what you actually DO to resolve these conflicts. What are these techniques....and above all how do you do them? It seems that your insight will help a lot of people so please share.

Now on direct approach....since NVC speaks more than your actual words....what if you walked up to a girl and was direct, but your body language was not facing her and showing disinterest? The words will be heard, but your body won't be congruent with that. Which will still leave the ultimate goal of confusing her and making her wonder your intent. Doesn't that make sense?

The reason I haven't gone in to it is because it is a long and drawn out process to expalin how to do it; the technique itself is not hard but requires a thorough understanding. A lot of people who have worked with me or my materials have found amazing success with it.

Although not quite as cut and dry as this, it is loosely based off this technique:

http://www.inlpa.org/index.cfm?CFID=784 ... 38&a=10096
Yes, but the problem is you will come off like any other AFC who is incongruent do to fear, nervousness or unhealthy ego issues. The technique itself is fairly simple but requires a lot of understanding of what makes a man attractive and understanding of how a woman percieves things through her eyes and lastly unshakable inner game which is imperative and rounds off everything else for the total alpha male to come together. This is why direct game doesn't work well online because you can't convey yourself in a way that seperates you from every other AFC out there by going direct.

She may wonder about you if you do this but she will not be attracted to you.

- Chris

It works fine if u can pass the physical test instantly and don't come off creepy to her. When I'm buzzed I always end up using a very very direct approach and I score much more that way then when i'm less confident just directly hitting on a chick.

Anyways for years I used the pick up line "Hi" and it worked quite well lol just walk up to a girl u like and introduce urself and go from there.

I have played around though with the more indirect route in the last year or so though and I see equal results. Pretty much what u say initially DOES NOT MATTER. Some people like the indirect route because it helps decrease their approach anxiety. A lot of time I will open with a neg and tease a girl about something like her outfit or something going on in the bar.

Yesterday I opened up the girl at the bar sitting next to me asking her what she thought of people dancing and singing at their tables at a bar and then pointed to my freinds who were singing counting crows Mr. Jones really getting into it and continued the convo from there teasing her.

Anyways the direct approach does work but it puts a lot more emphasis on the physical attraction and if u can pass that test easily then I would say go direct. If you can't then a more indirect approach is probably superior so u can get her with ur wit, value, and cocky-funny to fall for u.

Either way though u still need to show her u have these qualities even if u go direct and she thinks ur hot so the game still remains the same after the first initial line.

To me the goal of PUA is to become completely natural. A true master PUA would not need such routines since these techniques would become a party of him and show in all of his encounters.

Eventually when u can see behind the routines and do stuff becusae you know why in theory it works and not because it is a part of a systematic if she hits u with X you reply with Y and without giving her preplanned DHVs and pick-up lines you will be functioning as a mPUA does or as I feel a mPUA should function.

My current game is a combo of pick up art mainly the MM and natural. Instead of negging I tease as I have for years. When I approach sometimes I go indirect sometimes I go direct. Cocky funny is and has been natural for me for a while now and DHV I tell through pre-made stories which with more experiences will eventually change and is already evolving.

My kiss closes are all always pre-planned and I usually only use 1 or 2 and they have shown me great success. Mainly the "would you like to kiss me" and then anything other then NO i kiss her.

The only real bar game I play is the 5 questions game always a winner and has the added benefit of isolation.

When she gets back to my apartment I just use kino escalation to eventually make a girl horney enough even though she might not have planned to have sex tonight she eventually wants to.

I call to hang out for day 2 always 2-3 days later. Never leave message on girls machines. I keep the phone early on in a relationship for just setting up dates. I never ask a girl when on a date for another date. And when early on in dating I let her initiate most of the hooking-up for it makes me appear less needy and more in control and it also lets me gauge her interest level.

I do play games in relationships if a girl is playing hard to get I will on purpose leave a girls number in a pseudo-visible spot. If she asks who Jenna is or something I tell her ohh its just someone i met yesterday who I ahd a good conversation with. or something to taht effect.

Anyways I've aberrated from my point. The goal in my interpretation of Pick-up is to fully integrate the principles of the game into ur self and become a natural PUA. Not doing something because its pre-planned and part of a routine but doing something because u understand the effect that demonstrating value has on a girl.

For example I will discuss Challenge. Its the same as playing hard to get.
PUA teaches u tricks u can do to show challenge to a girl.
Waiting to call because u know it makes them want u more, negging a girl, and doing the freeze out for a set amount of time. Those are constructs of a system. The deeper message though is that being a challenge works and hte natural integrates challenge into everything he does and thus his actions are more congruent rather then more intervalled as these games are. When you learn to not care about hte outcome u exude perfect challenge naturally. For example think of the times a girl who u never found attractive or hot wanted u or even chased u. U did everything perfect I would bet. U didn't call her back immediately, u didn't worry about what u would say, ...

The direct approach is more natural but indirect can also be natural. Naturally just commenting on a book a girl is reading is a very natural thing to do and then hence end up in a conversation with her.