One, if you're already friends with a girl, is using game a lot less effective? I don't want to come off like a different person, but I'd like to build attraction with some of the girls that have me in friend-zone. Any ideas?

Two.. there's a girl I know, who's somewhat of a prude. I can tell she likes me massively, but her "old-fashioned"-ness prevents anything from happening. I don't want to corrupt her or anything, but I want her to know that hugging and kissing and all that shit is part of life, so she can be more free to do what she wants, you know?


Thanks in advance, for whatever help you give

Ask her if she thinks she's old fashioned when it comes to relationships. Ask her what she thinks that means and how she feels about it. "Don't you wish you could be more free"

Mate, turn it into a K-close. She will make it very obvious if she doesn't want to kiss you at some point in there.

Don't undermine her values if you're already friends.

I asked what she meant by old fashioned when I first heard her say it, and she went on a dialog about how she doesn't hug any guys other than relatives, kids, etc. However, just going for it is probably the best idea, I know I can bring her to the door, I just gotta convince her to ring the bell

What about for the first question? They're unrelated, btw.

If I decided I wanted to push that route with a girl I was friends with, subtly DHV. I don't know how you treat your girl friends, but you have to be careful not to DLV - You're the prize here

I've fucked up a lot with DLVs. I'm generally the awesomely nice friend of girls.

However, can't I use this to my advantage as a push-pull type thing? If I quit jumping through all the hoops, they're gonna miss how I was and try to gain back that attention, right?

Haha, good night guys.

That's kind of the case - if you start a relationship that way then they will have that expectation of you. The other side of that is it's the reason you're no more than friends!

Just remember that you're the prize, you DLV if you make her the prize, so you don't need to express your itnerest in that way - given the situation you have I don't think it'll help. It will creep her out.

Start out small and just see what reaction you get. Tease her a little, play some push-pull and make her work for herself. IE Give her something to chase without making it abundantly clear that you have now changed the way you will deal with her.