October man sequence seems like a healthy alternative to narcotics though.

I used to use OMS for a while; having a reasonable knowledge of NLP and hypnosis I was able to more or less interpret it however I eventually found direct pick-up to actually be more effective with 0 risk or psychological controversy. If you want something safe and quick to get the girl interested quickly nothing works better than a simple, "I think your absolutley beautiful and I want to meet you" if you have the inner game to pull it off at which point you can simply move into qualification.

I still don't get the seduction community hang-up about doing everything BUT expressing their true interest in a girl lol. Everything's about using ulterior motives and hiding it from the girl.

- Chris

I can only speak for Sweden where I live but it won´t work here unless the girl is pretty average looking.

It´s much better to start with a cold reading or something
then you can go on with NLP

I dont know.... can someone who isnt completely full of shit and who actually uses OMS please PM me and hook me up with a field report? I read the OMS booklet and Im not sure what to think about it... like WHEN would you use this stuff? It just doesnt seem like something you can use at a bar or club with loud music am i right? or am i completely mistaken?

The OMS, is just an advanced set of simple NLP/Hypnosis patterns,

There's no magic, it's no magic words.
It's much to do with your own abilities to meta-program yourself.
Your ability and understanding within the fields of human psyche, and ways of manipulating/guiding this within others.

So, when you've gathered some background within the fields of psychology, hypnosis, philosophy, etc. you will easier be able to understand the complicated pattern the OMS is.
(and you will understand how calling it complicated is basically BS ) =P

The OMS is as much bullshit as prayer, but it works because you believe in it. It's just a simple NLP pattern that is taught to be a great magic spell, and because people who use it believe it to be so great, and so unique, it works.

because of the belief that is put into the performance it becomes real, to some extent...


It's kinda like faith-healing or those people handling snakes and shit.
For some it works, for some it's great to have snake-juice behind the tapestry.
And for some, they've been bitten so many times that the venom has no effect anymore, and they succeed in their mission believing it is God, while in real they're just built up an immunity.

Hope that makes things clearer.

But NLP is strong stuff,

try this simple NLP technique:
Sit back, relax, and;
Think of a time when you felt really good.

Like the last time you felt you really had control of everything.
The rush of knowing you were going to bang this chick _tonight_ (or something else, if this is not what you prefer. =P )

Just pick a feeling, go back to the time when you felt it strongly, and step into the picture, into the feeling.

And realizing that the feeling is moving within you (if the feeling did not in some way move within you, (usually spinning in some direction, like; starting in the belly, and moving up thru the chest, the throat, and out, down into the belly again ) the feeling would vanish,)

Find the way this feeling spins, and imagine it spinning faster, faster and faster. Feeling it growing stronger.

Describe how it feels to yourself.




Learn this sort of stuff, go back to basics. Look up videos of Bandler and see if you understand him, learn.

Look up Robert Anton Wilson and learn from him.
Learn how people work, how they think.

Talk to them and experiment.

Realize that this life is all,
and thus realize that this is your chance to have fun.
Make yourself goals, and accomplish them...
Go out and enjoy life...
Help others enjoy their lives.
Make your mission in life the ultimate goal;
Be one who brings others up,
Realize that you are already in possession of all the resources you need to get the best out of life.

Come to this simple, natural realization; "A pessimist knows the world is going to fuck-and-shit-all, so he never enjoys life.
An Optimist thinks everything is going to be good, so he enjoys life until the last day it goes to fuck-and-shit-all."
Realize that you chose yourself which of these are the most logically sound state to establish yourself within.


This life is your chance.
Your one; last Chance. (until proven otherwise )


Once you understand enough about psyche, about psychology, about hypnosis and NLP you will understand the octoberman, and you will understand why it is not something serious PUA's use.
Why it has been kept secret, and why it will do you much more good to just learn all the other stuff that is altogether much more worth than this one sequence.

Grow an interest for women, and seek to pleasure them, understand them, and eventually you will.
And when you are at the point where you understand them, you are already much more powerful than the octoberman.

Realize this, and look back at the octoberman when you feel you understand and feel able to apply NLP and to some extent hypnosis.


And I know that I write haphazardly, scrambling thoughts all over, but that's how I think, and it may be some higher goal in this way of thought.

Now, get along, go out, and live.

Fuck this shit about some idiotic sequence which supposedly gives you endless power over women.

Is that really what this life is about ?
Getting laid ?

Is your life controlled by the instinctual urge to reproduce ?
Is it your genes which decide who you are ?
Don't your thoughts on the matter count ?

Are you forever going to look upon getting your monkey wet behind the ears as the ultimate goal ?

If that's the case, the OMS is not going to work for you.
just look into yourself and ask yourself questions as to what it is you really wish for.

here's an assignment, call it simulated enlightenment.
Do thusly;
Find every reason as to why you are sitting here right now.
I mean every reason backwards in time, all the coincidences that had to occur for you to find yourself sitting here right now.

Can someone please explain to me why some people say that the OMS is horrible, and why some people say that the OMS doesn't really exist?

First off, I've yet to read OMS, but will do so this weekend. So I'll forgo commenting on it other than to say, Karma's a motherfucker. If you fuck someone over using it, bet the farm you'll get fucked in the future.

If really want to learn NLP and add value to a woman's life and people's life in general including your own, I suggest finding Personal Power II by Tony Robbins. Hear me out...I realize this has nothing to do with pickup.

Early in his career, Tony Robbins was touted as a pioneer as far as NLP and self-development was concerned. He switched NLP when it got all weirdto something he calls Neuro-Associative Conditioning. Don't ask me the difference. But basically it learning how to use imagery, physical movement, scripts, questions we ask ourselves, and other techniques to control our lives and destiny.

So how the fuck does this relate to pickup? I used to run a comfort routine that was straight up honest. I'd give the short spiel above, and ask the girl to tell me some habit/behavior that is limiting her growth. Then I'd run her through a technique I learned from TR called the Dicken's process. Below is a condensed version of it that I found. I usually try to spend equal amounts of time with the new belief as was done with the old.

Get yourself into a position that you feel is easiest to visualize and emotionally associate to memories both real and constructed/projected. This process is about associating massive pain to your limiting patterns so it is best done in a position you don't find too comfortable such as standing.

Another reason for standing is that you have much more access to all the movements of your physiology, which, as I have mentioned before, is one of the key ingredients to emotional states. Your body tells you how to feel.

Now, visualise your life right now. What do you have in your life? What are you missing out on in your life? What limiting patterns do you indulge in? Are they emotions? Are they behaviours? Are they limiting beliefs or decisions?

Once you are emotionally associated to the pain of what you are missing out on in the present moment, rise up above your life and see it from above the stream of time, see yourself in the picture while dissociated.

Still above the stream of time, travel back in time and drop in on some of your most painful moments. How have your limiting patterns affected you up until now? With the benefit of hindsight, what do you regret? What would you never do if you had your time over?

Feel the feelings, see this sights, hear the sounds of each moment as if you were reliving it right now. Keep traveling back through your stream of time dropping in on your most regrettable and painful moments that you would love to change. Emotionally associate to each as if it were happening all over again.

Now, rise up again above the stream of time and travel back to the present moment. What have your limiting beliefs and patterns cost you? Travel out into your future above the stream of time. Drop in to your life three months into the future.

What have your limiting patterns cost you having not changed them? What is your life like in three months having held onto these limiting patterns? Associate to the massive pain you will feel as if it is happening now. Do the same for 6 months, one year, 5 years and 10 years.

Travel back to your present moment with the benefit of foresight now that you truly know what the cost of these limiting patterns are. What are your new empowering patterns and beliefs? How will you replace the limiting ones?

Project back into the future now that you have changed your limiting patterns, beliefs and behaviours. Associate to the massive pleasure you now have after changing these patterns once and for all.

Now celebrate your new compelling future!!!


The End

With the routine I now have teacher frame, I can teach them how to change themselves and give themselves happiness. If done right, she should feel empowered and as if a whole new world is on the horizon if she chooses to change her belief. This exercise along with a few others builds huge rapport and comfort. Personally I'd rather run shit like this and be building a woman up than staring at their nose between their eyes to supposedly make them super horny.

The last thing I'd say is that if you actually pick up TR's program, it will do amazing things for your inner game and likely change you.

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Elite Game to destroy the competition...YouGetTheGirl.com!!!

OMS is simply a form of utilising most aspects of NLP in one go. There is no massive taboo secret about it. It works in much the same manner as when a song comes on the radio, in the club, at work or wherever, that brings back a memory perhaps of a good time or an old girl friend or maybe even a bad time.

A memory is tapped into and linked to that music and whenever you hear that song those feelings will be brought up. This is almost identical to the basics of OMS. The feeling is then manipulated(this word has a bad connotation but it isn't).

How to do it is alot more involved, its not hard to learn, it just takes ALOT of time, like anything in the game. You cannot learn it by reading OMS, nor what one person writes on a thread. It is not a quick fix, and NO it won't make someone forget about their life and become obsessed with you.This whole hoodoo voodoo talk is nothing more than a marketing gimmick that effects everyone. You have been gamed.
One of the most basic tactics for getting a girls interest is:
"Can I tell you something?"
"Sure"
"Oh no I can't its a secret/it might offend you"
"Tell Me!"

This tactic has been used in the marketing to make this 'forbidden' technique so talked about and debated. NLP is used by people in the workplace ALL the time, this is where its most practical use is, its not a dark art, but it is effective. Don't bother attempting it unless you have a very good understanding of NLP (not just OMS).

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The future is nothing but a series of probability, made up of decision that we make up right now. These decisions lead to certain events into the future. Hence, every human being has the capability to determine their own future. So do it!

In other words, people who play with fire and dont know about what fire does, will get burned. I actually know people who know the OMS. It is intense. I think that it is less of gaming girls and NLP, as much as it is actually like cruel. Give women some credit. They are not animals which we can take our pick and exploit. The OMS seriously fucked my mate up. He thinks he is invincible with girls and doesnt find any thrill or chalange. It is almost like rape of the girls will to choose.

OMS is overrated..

It's not hard, but any person who has training in the field of NLP and seduction knows there are far more powerful and better ways to seduce women, without the extreme risk of buyers remorse that can follow with using the OMS....


And; Aren't we about finished with all this shit about the OMS now ?

It's not all that...

The only reason it's been thought to be something at all is because of the "forbidden fruit"-principle.

don't ever make the mistake of thinking there's a secret password or anything similar to make women fall in love/want to fuck you...

Nothing is that simple, and besides; wouldn't the OMS in that case be the most profitable recipe and the most guarded secret ?

If that was the fact I would start teaching it for 5000 $ a piece.. =P