What are your guys views on Indirect approach does it work or does it not? lets find out
Here is an example of one:
Me: Are you single?
HB:No why?
Me:I have a friend that would like to take you out for coffee if your intrested in going?
HB:(she either going to say wheres your friend you simply reply " Its me silly" you will love the response from her or she will laugh and agree to join your friend(you)) This is gold but I need your views what do you think?

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We talked about this in the PUA chat so I'll post my thoughts to see if anyone shares my opinion. There are a number of flaws with this approach and I could never see this working in a million years. It seems like a very AFC approach.
First of all, asking if she is single gives her the option to say no, in which case you're not controlling the frame and you won't get her to agree to a date because you've triggered her social response and she will put up a bitch shield or anti slut defense. At this stage, no amount of persistence will get her to change her mind because you've already exhibited submissive and unconfident behaviour. Besides, asking if she is single isn't exactly indirect is it? Secondly, if by some miracle she does say she's single and you turn around and say it's actually you and not your friend, you've basically just tricked her. What if she thought you were serious, didn't like the look of you and wanted to meet your friend to see what he was like? Guys do things like this because if the girl says no then it won't matter because it's for the "friend" and not them, it's a safety measure and guys have been using things like this to poor effect for many years.

If you value your sanity I wouldn't try this, ever.

To be honest this isnt an indirect aproach, its a childish and unconfident direct aproach.

Indirect woul be if you asked her some obscure question that had nothing to do directly with her or you or the two of you...just about any opinion opener is a good example of indirect.

Direct would be something like walking up and going, "Your cute, but are you friendly too?"

The example you listed will 99.9% of the time get you the response that they are NOT single, regardless of if they are or not, and telling them its to goto coffee with a friend will do nothing but get a no/why would i response.

The only way direct works if its done confidently and in an alpha frame, your example doesnt really fit either.

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"Be the same, only better."

well one your both wrong because this is a unique indirect approach because it totally confuses the girl and makes her wonder that your on to her and then at the end its a bit indirect so you can comply it with both indirect and direct and 2 its not unconfident sounding unless your projecting it that way. gratci

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I think that this is a ridiculous opener. I mean, it may be a good one if she's never seen a man before...

Romantic: There is nothing confident about it. Is that your game? To confuse the girls/women? I find that fascinating, maybe you should run a webinar about bewildering women.

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If you were so sure of that you wouldn't need to ask our opinions. I'd like to reiterate that asking if she is single is as direct as it comes and just because you say you're asking for a friend does not make it indirect. Have you used this method with success or is it just a theory? If it's the latter then it should really stay that way.

Its a bad opener. If a guy I didnt know well asked me that I would automatically tell him I was NOT single. Its a defense mechanism. Its waaay too direct. You are not even gonna get past that part to even tell her that "your friend" is interested.

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Not a PUA just a girl offering my opinions/advice

Go fuck yourself, dont ask for advice and then tell people they are wrong. Im wasting my time answering your post so you dont become the CREEPY dude at the bar or club...if youd rather ignore advice then stop asking for it and go out and be that guy...doesnt bother me either way.

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"Be the same, only better."

PFFFF wrong being direct Kills your game reallly fast if your indirect it makes a girl wonder if you like her or not you want to be a challenge nobody likes someone whos easy us men like to sleep with sluts and leave them afterwords Men are the male equivalent to sluts people dont you get it. Dont be direct Take it from someone whos been there before and dont listen to other guys unless they use indirect method Gratci.
P.s Dalziel why you being like that you the one who told me to post this you evil son of a lol

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Wow I wonder how women are attracted to a guy like you why dont you go do that to yourself cause seems like you dont no any game plus I dont care if you post shet on here or not its not between me and you and its not my question only so shut up Ka again people as i said before beware of guys like this!!!!!

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^^thats all you need to know right there.

bad opener. it sounds to me like you are afraid of rejection and are hiding behind the "my friend" story, which displays zero confidence. btw, asking a girl if shes single is deff not indirect game.

I told you to post this so you could see how wrong you are, duh.

I'm gonna break this down into simple terms.

A direct approach clears up any confusion as to what you want from her right away. If she pretends not to like it, be persistent and she'll loosen up a little. If she genuinely doesn't like it she won't stay to talk to you. Therefore, you know where you stand with her immediately and won't have to over-analyse anything. Basically, being direct lets you find out if she likes you or not right away and is very efficient in that it projects massive amounts of confidence at the same time. I'm not saying indirect does not work because it does, however indirect game is far more time consuming. A direct approach breaks women down into one of two categories and it does it quickly:

She likes you

Kick ass. You haven't wasted any time messing around and you get to know each other and have a good time. She doesn't want you to pussyfoot around and try to get to know her and establish a connection before making it clear that you like her. It's a turn-off. People like a good thing to come along and they will embrace it once it presents itself, and honesty is a beautiful thing. If you aren't direct to some degree then you risk making yourself seem insecure or that you're not confident enough to go for what you want.

She doesn't like you

Oh well, never mind. At least you haven't wasted a shitload of time talking to her only to find out that she genuinely isn't interested so this way you don't get your feelings hurt. I'm not saying not to be persistent though, because she will test you to see if this is just an act or if you really are this confident in yourself. However, if she really really doesn't like you or she doesn't want a relationship right now then she isn't gonna stay long enough for you to convince her otherwise. If she's still standing there she is giving you a chance, so it's fair game.

Have to agree with EVERYONE ELSE dude, I just have another thing to add to indirect vs. direct.

Dalziel said : True, and for a good reason. Direct approach on a girl who is with her friends will not work near as often because she is constantly thinking "what will my friends think". This is where utilization of indirect approach will suit you best.

Direct appraoch (which absolutely is what your entire hypothetical approach is) is more accepted by a lone woman who can focus her thoughts on whether she likes you or not (Not whether her friends approve or not). So although your approach is direct, it does display a lack of self confidence bro.

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Absolutely right, Xecutioner. I should have pointed out that direct game is only to be used when approaching a lone woman. I don't like dealing with groups, they're far too much work... if I absolutely have to have a girl who is in a group I'll just approach and say hi to everyone, see how they're all doing then say something to the one I want like "I don't wanna embarass you in front of your friends... actually yeah that'd be fun, but for your sake I'm gonna just borrow you over here for a second". Most of the time it works, the girls all laugh and tease her and whistle etc and I can just go direct with her, but a couple of times I've had group pull the girl back. No biggie.

Stop flaming. It's specially olympic. (No offense to anyone who participates in or supports the special olympics)

Direct vs. Indirect? I like them both. Indirect is fun to play around with and direct cuts all the bullshit out. They both work. They're just different weapons.

Let's say that you have a sword and a battle-axe. When you're in a fight with either of these weapons, your victory will depend on your skill and whatever weapon you are accustomed to using. It's not the weapon that wins the fight, it's the warrior.

Carlos Santana can make a Fender Squier, even though it's pretty much the worst stringed instrument you can ever put your hands on, sound like a cry from the gods of music. Some "guitarist" from an amatuer punk/emo band can make a PRS sound like your fat mom in heat. It's not the guitar that creates the music, it's the guitarist.