Pickup Artist: A pickup artist, commonly abbreviated PUA,[1] is a term used to describe a man who is skilled in meeting, attracting, and seducing women.

That is all it is. Meeting, attracting, seducing. Then what? You can learn one routine and use it for 10 years and still be the same person you were when you started. Where does one draw the line from a PUA and one looking to better himself? Labeling somebody something they arent is just as incorrect as profiling. Just the other day at work a spanish lady came up to me and asked me a question in spanish. She presumed I spoke the language because I am spanish. I dont speak it, so now who is the fool? Me for not knowing the language or her for making an assumption? If I meet a chick somewhere and walk out with her number, why should I be called a pickup artist? People meet everyday, make friends, some click easier than others, you dont need any of this to have someone attracted to you. If I decide to lift some weights to tone my arms, would it be fair to call me a body builder and be labeled like those guys you see in those pictures with veins popping out of every inch on their body? No.

If I walked into a bar and saw a random guy buy a drink for a girl, talk to her, flirt endlessly, dance, and end up leaving with her, there really is no way to say he is a PUA. People have been doing that since the beginning of time.

When I first came to this site, it was shortly after I saw an episode on television. I signed up to look at some stuff ,leave some comments, and make some posts. I will be honest from the get go the canned routines and lines seemed comical to me. I looked myself right in the eyes in the mirror and repeated what I was supposed to say when I opened, I felt like a douchebag. It was so uncharacteristic and completely unnatural for those lines to come out of my mouth. I understand the concepts, I know how it works. I know it does work, but that is only for those who feel comfortable using the material. I am not comfortable running around asking for opinions on a subject that is totally irrelevant to my life. Even if I were to make it so that it had to do with my life, it isnt something I'd randomly ask a chick about.

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I like it ice. I feel the same way; but in the beginning, some people need that material to get them comfortable - they need to see for themselves how social interactions go; step 1.) step 2.) step 3.). If you figure those steps out before hand, awesome. To figure them out and then move on is the key to true PUA. Cookie cutters only lead to identical images. But you need to make the first batch of cookies before you will know how to shape the rest.

mmmmm I love my analogies. Almost as much as I love cookies.

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Great read..although i don't understand why people who are SUBSCRIBED to this site appear to be offended by calling themselves a PUA. In my opinion PUA is all about self improvement in becoming a more efficient human being so when you are finally on your death bed(at old age i hope), you can reflect on a life of constant improvement and not one that was wasted.

Also that you DESERVE to take up space on this planet and especially in this day and age where you can't physically be manhandled(i'd actually like that)..but being one with a strong mind can become a dominant force.

I disagree also. PU is not about becoming a better person, it's about picking up women. Basically, you are learning to manipulate women for SHORT TERM gain, you are not picking up with the intent of a long term relationship with every person you meet. However, I agree that inner game is important for all aspects of life. PU tools are just that- tools. They are not meant to create a new person- they are meant to manipulate and take advantage of people via your superior knowledge. And that concept is not something new. We spend years and years at school to become superior to others through knowledge. PU also teaches you alot besides rehearsed openings, and robotic mimicking- there is the confidence, the understanding of humans and social patterns, there is the development of a greater physical image (grooming, nice clothing, etc.) and it is NEVER a way to become a completely new person. Like a member already said; one's PU skills and style will be shaped by their personality and traits. It is impossible to completely mimick someone that you have and never will know.

What I don't get is people who are subscribed to this site, yet haven't read any of the relevant literature on the subject, lay or otherwise.

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My initial thought was that was personal attack but then again i don't see how it possible could be. What do you mean?

This post; from what I interpret is really pointing out the need for inner game, rather than just pure outer.

Now to do this, I advice people to make DHV's stories on things that have actually happened, or better yet go make the DHV happen! Play rugby, start doing a martial art, go fucking skydiving like you planned when you were 5!

Second point to address, mimicing is natural, you learnt how to walk by mimicing adults, you learnt how to talk by mimicing adults, you learnt basic social concepts by mimicing adults. At the time when you were 1-2-3 you had to think about them in order to get them right, now they are natural.

Same thing with Sarging, you become natural by mimicing the others who have already got it. You did the same thing when you were 2.

I think the first thing that we should recognise as PUA's or even men in general, is that we have already got "it" we have positive qualities, and when we one them and focus on them that helps generate more alpha attitudes, too back up the ones you are learning from books and watching rock stars.
Always remember you study to learn and develope, not immitate.

We have to learn that i we present ourselves as we are, and are confident with who we are, then we will be loved as a result.

We seduce women with what we have got, we don't trick and fool them with what we haven't got.

It was commenting on the fact that a good number of people have somewhat proudly announced that they have read none of the books regarding pickup, and refer to "personal experience" as a guide.

To me this seems akin to a person commenting on the current state of astrophysics without having read Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, or any laybook on the subject, and instead simply "what his friends have told him about the idea".

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Lo' there do I see the line of My People, back to the beginning.
Lo' they do call to me, they bid me take my place among them.
in the Halls of Valhalla, where the brave may live forever.

I want to hear some examples of the "fake it until you make it" philosophy failing someone. I'm not being standoffish, I'm genuinely interested in hearing stories where someone used fake DHV stories and canned material to score a girl, tried to turn it into a long term thing and she figured out he was a fraud and bailed.

One of my friends who is getting into pickup uses a lot of fake DHV storytelling to get that first date. He says that once he overcomes that initial barrier he feels like they will start bonding more, she'll become attached to his personality, and things will work out. I don't have any experience with it so I can't tell him that his relationships will or will not work out.

I think what Mystery teaches is great for getting a quick lay but is handicapped when it comes to creating lasting relationships. Still, I've never personally been with a woman who holds someones social life up to the light an examines it to make sure they're authentically cool and of high enough status for her to hang out with.

In short, is any worthwhile woman getting with a guy because he's confident and has a good personality, or because his canned DHV stuff made her think he's got good social status that she can use?

You may be right. Neil Strauss said in an interview that pickup was good for breaking into a girl's reality so that the guy at least has a chance to have his personality evaluated, at which point if the relationship is going to go further then it'll be because she likes him for who he is.

I see three areas of success in life: Wealth, health and relationships. Lots of guys use pickup as a way of getting success in the third aspect while they haven't gotten the first two worked out. In that respect "faking it" isn't going to build a healthy relationship.

Though I also think there are guys who have health/wealth in order as well as attractive, confident personalities who don't have a rockstar social life.

I know when I first started it was coming off of a breakup from a 2 year relationship in which I had grown distant with a lot of my friends. If I didn't fake it and flat out told women, "yeah, most Friday nights I sit at home and watch TV" I wouldn't have seen any success at all.

LOL. I've been contemplating how to spin this particular reality in my life so as not to DLV plummet myself in social interactions recently. I noticed on one of the cheesy instructional videos we watched during this Red Cross Instructor's course this week that one situation this girl responded to the 'what'd you do this weekend' question by saying 'oh it was GREAT; i just RELAXED and read ALL weekend.' The enthusiasm (most likely scripted and artificial) really shifted the focus from what she did--by any accounts, kind of boring, but also similar to what I actually do on the weekends--to the way she said it.

So in the context of the OP's idea, I think a person who's got their shit together has the inner confidence to assert their reality in a positive manner, no matter how seemingly banal, and consequently, maybe even subconsciously achieve a level of frame control.

This tread is becoming so motivational, it's like reading Napoleon Hill's "think and grow rich" haha

Anyways i have summerised this "new concept" of becoming a all rounding person into a flow chart. This "new 3rd gen seduction concept" is what most ambitious men has been doing since dawn of time. Sex is the most powerful motivational force there is. The desire to be great the other powerful motivational force. Every single man on the planet is doing what he can to impress the woman of his choice (apart those having self-destructive habits, eg; drug habits).

the foundation stone for a good PUA is the inner game, to have solid inner game you must be competitive, to be competive you must be have wealth. (no amount of routine or lines or DHV stories can replace wealth, In a LTR, woman are looking for ur ability to provide. if your looking for one night then it's a different story, PU should work fine). To accumulate wealth you must have a good job or successful business. Now there are many ways to accumulate wealth. For most people it's having a good education.

Perfect.

I am 100% with you on this one.


I know for a fact I started this whole thing because I felt an empty hole within myself.

And I realise that the only way I'm going to become fulfiled is to, as you said, become a great human being.

I've always said, if you've got great inner game, the worst approach in the world will work.

This is the mentality that is frustrating. And it's not clearly wrong either. I am throwing myself along a new path, working all day long, and am beginning to find success. Nobody is gravitating toward me. It doesn't work that simply bro.


Now, for any person that is trying to push his boundaries, but has trouble with women or being socially "dah bomb", you can always just say, "Well, that person isn't really pushing himself." Perhaps you are right, but that is not helpful.


It's easy to say, "You're not really trying! TRY for fuck's sake!" What is anyone supposed to DO with that sort of comment?


Although I am criticizing you for making that kind of comment, I don't have the answer. What's more, I AGREE with your comment. I just don't know what to do with it and that's the problem. I think if I was a CRAZY MOTHERFUCKING ALL OUT SON OF A BITCH THROWING SHIT THROUGH THE ROOF AWESOME EXPLODING GUY - meaning, full of fiery passion - I might already be in a better place than I am in now.

So, my question to everyone is, how do you explode your brain, body, and soul with fiery passion. How do you get that?


Superficially, this thread is about Naturals at Getting Ass versus Students of Getting Ass. However, it's clear to most people here that the question is really about the Individual Who is Exploding with Fiery Passion. How do we become that individual?


Now, some will say that you cannot learn that. That is probably true. What's more interesting is if some of you think that we can actually develop that passion deliberately. Any of you know how it can be done?


Personally, I think it doesn't help much to think about it. Write what you want to do on paper, eliminate the distractions from your life as much as possible, and get what you want - JUST DO IT.

Lots of people may agree with me, but many are exploding with passionate craziness. Very few. Maybe it's just luck of the draw.

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Ask any girl, is confidence important, and they'll all say yes. Everyone on this forum can agree to that with no hesitation. But, I believe that many here don't know where that confidence stems from; self esteem.

Everyone is registered to this forum for one reason for another, and all chose to pursue "the game" for different reasons. But, it is undoubtedly because they wanted to be better at something, make a change, regarding themselves and their lives.

That fiery passion is true confidence and self esteem. Everyone who poses it is happy with their lives, regardless of whether or not the world is throwing shit at them. They know that rejection or hardships are not their apocalypse, they know that the best victories are achieved through work and sacrifice, they are people who do things to better themselves.

I believe that this is the true purpose of "the game", to allow people to grow self confidence, throw the learning of techniques and routines. I believe that once you begin to master the taught parts, you gravitate towards the natural game. One no longer needs to recite material, they talk and act smooth because they are comfortable and not scared.

I hate to mention Style's book, but: Towards the end of The Game, Strauss noticed how his peers were being corrupted, as he began to want to gravitate out and leave the society. He got what he needed, self confidence, and began to apply it to his life and live happily. If done properly, one understands that they have the power to achieve the things that they want. But the downside is that one can become corrupted so easily.

I don't think I explained my thoughts fully and efficiently. But, in abstract form, I believe that:

Naturals are just folks who have the confidence and understanding to say the right things, students should work towards developing this ability and confidence.

Ultimately, everyone should learn how they can achieve through confidence, and begin to apply it to their actual lives and develop better self esteem and happiness.

Success is measured by how you feel about yourself and what you do. I've always heard the saying "a difference between a career and a job, is that you either hate your work, or you enjoy it". So in a sense, if you begin to experience success, people may or may not flock; but it depends on if you're displaying the confidence and positivity that go along with it.