I HAD the same problem even with family, 90% of the time if you dont stop talking they will, the other 10% of the time say something to put them in thier place. What they have to say is no more or less valuble then what you have to say, and they have no right to be rude and cut you off.

Sometimes just pointing it out is enough, "Im talking, dont cut me off thats rude."

Sometimes you have to be a bit more direct/mean. Id say there only maybe a 1% of the time where you really need to lay into the person for them to understand.

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Hey guys Iv been observing this board all week and this is just what Iv been looking for!
Anyway, my sticking point used to me opening/keeping the conversation interesting. However, this board instantly fixed the opening part

This is my background, and can someone please help me shape it into something interesting/direct me to a thread that can helping me keep the conversation interesting?

My name is Niv, I was born in Israel and moved to California when I was 10. I am now 17, turning 18 in the summer/(21 with my real "fake id")
The thing about me is that I can easily start talking to girls, and even number close, but its hard for me to stay interesting. My game is cocky funny, and not to be cocky here, but I'm pretty good looking (both girls and guys told t hat to me) and its gotten to the point that because I am ALWAYS best dressed wherever I go/I don't really hand out with girls outside of part situations, that some people think I'm just gay. Which is obviously not true, I just need some points! Anyway, I graduated high school last year when I was 16, and now I am finishing my first year of college. The summer I graduated I was responsible for a horrible car accident where I flipped my 98 Eclipse drifting in some residential street. Both my friend and I were ok though, but thats $6000 down the drain.

Iv been a club promoter most of my high school career, but I stopped that because we weren't getting paid, and now Iv been working for a year as a pizza delivery driver, but not too often because I am very very committed to my school work. Which leads me to the point that a month ago I came across David De Angelo's Double Your Dating while I was trying to research online for pick up tips. Iv been pretty much looking at this topic as an extra class for school, researching it etc.. Now Im midway through "The Game" and Iv ordered "The Laws of the Game" and the Mystery Method.

Iv been the kind of guy that waits for girls to approach me, surprises that doesn't happen to guys much! But I need to be better at taking the inniciative. Its not that I am now an interesting guy. I mean everyone who comes to my room loves it and it is defiantly a place I like to take girls. I am also a die hard fan of Manchester United (not because of the recent glory) and I even have a tattoo of the crest on my back. I am fermilur with these online forums because I am a regular on "Big Soccer" which is very simular to this site but for soccer..

Well, I dont think I left much out (I wrote stuff that doesnt really help the DHV because I dont know you guys yet so I figured some background would help) Oh and one more thing, I get many IOI's, but for fucking sake I never never never take advantage!

Some please if someone is kind enough to read all this give me some topics!

Thanks in advance Niv,

Good call, but should the stories be so long?

Hi Niv, glad you found this post useful.

To help you i need a paragraph or 2 written as if you were telling the story verbally to someone. What you wrote here is not a story but an autobiography. While i apreciate the effort, you wouldnt walk upto some and tell them this story...if you are that explains the difficulty with keeping intrest.

If you need help to do that much, i suggest you go back to the beginning of my post and read everything. Youll see examples and suggestions, as well as additional information.

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Sup ka! hope all is well. This is a nice thread and really helpful.

So I thought I take up on your offer and give an example or 2 on a copule stories and have you dhv it up for me


Story #1 (about how I crashed my car and learned a lesson)

It was a sunday morning. Me and my friend were going to wake up early to meet up with a dozen other guys to roll down to a car meet. I woke up early around 7 am and drove down to my friends house to wake him up since he wasnt answering. As soon as I got to his house he was pulling out of his drive way. We were late. My friend ept driving fast in the freeway going over 110+. I called him to have him slow down since I didnt want anythin to happen to both of us for just a stupid meet. One hing let to another a Truck pulled afront of me out of no where with out a signal and me going 110+ could only dodge it. As soon as I tried going to the next ane to avoid the truck, the back of my car gave out and there I went into the senter devider and did another 360 and hit the wall again finlay stopping in the middle of the freeway. During those few second all that was going through my mind was OMG my parents are going to kill me! And i remember yelling NO DONT HIT TURN!! i couldnt brake or else the car would have flipped going that fast so All I did was to steer it! I came out the accident with no injuries at all thanks to the 5 star crash rating my car had! I promised myself from now then that no matter what I wouldn not drive that fast again unless in a closed circuit!


damn this came out longer then i thought!! so in the story i want to show that, I am on time, I know how to handle a car or else i would of been dead, and learned a big lesson, have freinds, out going!
I will be teeling this story when they ask what is the crazest thing that has ever happened to you!

story #2 Here is another one which i think is a better story to tell!


It was a chill everning. My parts had finaly arrived and I was so exided to start working on them right away. the pressure was on since later that night I had plans to meet some friends at a club. I worked on my car with my dad , finished it and went for a test drive to make sure i didnt everything right only to return and find out that my brother was leaving the house with an upset look! I asked him what happened and it seemed that he had ot in a fight with my dad. I parked to go upstairs and I heard him gunning it down the street. At that moment I got a gut feeling something bad was going to happen. 2 minutes later my cusing called me only to tell me he had got into and accident 2 stop signs down. We had company so i couldnt tell me parents. i jumped in my car and went to the seen. A few of my freinds were there and told me that the cops had abused my brother. that pissed me off and I went to confront them. The cops got the wrong idea and twised my arms, pushed me against thier car, hand cuffed me and threw me in thier car. At that moment they had pulled my shoulder so bad that i was screaming in pain inside. The next morning I was in the ER for 5 hours and found out that I had torn parts of my shoulder,trap, and shoulder muscles all for what? a stupid decision my brother made! but I still love him and wont stand anybody messing with my family! It took 5 months for eveything to heal!

I know that is long too! My bad bro! feel free to cut it short if it is goin to make it better!

Ya obviously I wouldn't say that to someone as a DHV but I figured it might be helpful since no one here knows me..

Could you help me write a DHV story with some of the info you saw?

Hey guys,
i would like to hear your opinion about a trick i use to display higher value and get attraction (is it?)
I start it from different angles but my goal is to have a girl ask me if I practise a sport. "Why aren't you drinking alcohol? because I have training tommorow"

Then my answer to her question is "You dont know it, and if you do you won't like it, so i'm not telling you"
This makes every girl (up to now) instantly interrested. So i think this is a good way to get attraction(?)
When she says things like "common tell me or i loose sleep over it", i start to say things like "people allways put other people into boxes, and i don't fit the box that belongs to this sport, so i wont tell you"

At this point she probably thinks i do ballet or something so i trow in a "sometimes is see some guy being though about it, and i really hate it, so you wont see me telling people i dont know"

When conversation continues she will ask me again at some point (or the next day) and i will tell her what i do: MMA (combination of kickboxing and brazilian jiu jitsu) and tell a story of how i think its the ultimate competion between man an how being in the ring brings out your survival instincts.

my question to you is: does this story display higher value, does it make me a non-agressif humble guy who is able to protect her when the time comes?

(BTW i'm dutch, so if the sentences don't flow its probably because of my lack of translation skills. Are there any dutch PUA's here? would like to know some dutch material without having to translate)

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Guys once again i see myself busier this weekend then most...so i will be getting to your posts as soon as possible. However...

There is something i need to address. Some people have been comming here and not following the flow of this topic. This post IS ONLY about getting help with DHV STORIES. If you want help with this i need to be clear about what i need from you guys to do this, as some people are not following the directions i posted.

1)Read at least my first post, the best thing to do would to be to read all the posts in this topic before asking for help/posting.

2)Post 1-2 PARAGRAPHS of your story the way you would VERBALLY tell it. I dont mind if you explain a bit or have some pertanent questions, but the body of the post should be your story.

3)Do use PARAGRAPHS, PUNCTUATION, and proper spelling when possible. This not only makes it easier for me to sort it out, but helps you organize your thoughts while writting it and later if you go back to it.

Isra, i told you in my last post what i needed to help you. What you gave me before was background info and very broad, i need a story with a specific subject.

DeBossMan, i apreciate your input and everyone elses...and i honestly think you have an excellent routine, but this is not the place to post it. This topic is for people looking for help with STORIES, mainly of the type that i speak of in the first post.

M_Style, i will be addressing your stories (at least one of them) within the next few days...everyones posts seeking help are important to me and i generally like to answer them immediatly, however the last few weeks have been chaotic for me and i have not been keeping up as well as id like.

So from now on guys, i will ask a mod to delete posts that are not on topic (and will not respond to them), also i may chose to ignore posts that are run-on or do not use any paragraphs or puncuation. I intend on offering the highest quality help i can provide and i need people to follow some guidelines for me to achieve it, thanks for understanding.

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Ok, you asked for a paragraph or two, here it goes:

I was 19 and living in abu-dhabi (united arab emirates), I was out with this portuguese girl and another couple at an upscale marina club and was making out for the first time with her under a quiosque near the beach when I felt something hit me hard on the ear. I stood up and turned around quickly and saw these two guys. They said they were CID (undercover police) and started calling on me for making out in public saying things like "you know you cannot do that in this country!" and that I would have to follow him to the police station. My reply was that I wouldn't follow and I had diplomatic immunity and knew M, the owner of the marina (who was married to my sister). He insisted but I just grabbed my girl by the hand and left with my friends. Then I called my dad, he said I did well but should have called him immediately (he was ambassador to brazil there at the time), he talked with M, the owner who has tons of important connections. They came to talk to me, M said I should have hit the guy back!

Now a bit about this M that might add value to the story. He is a rich egiptian guy who owns this marina and was married to my sister at the time. He dresses sharp like a mobster and has been in abu-dhabi for years, knows a lot of important people as well as all kinds of middle eastern and european crooks. He's quite a character and a really nice guy with a funny, witty and dark sense of humour.

How can I tell this story conveying different feelings like tension, humour and drama? What should I leave out and what should I do to not come across as bragging? Should it end with some sort of punchline?

Cheers!

Hey Ka whats up man? You helped me with a DHV story earlier and I have been reading some of your posts in other topics. You really seem to know whats going on. Here is a story that I think has a lot of potential I just need to refine it and figure out how to work it into conversation.

This actually happened to me. I was at martial arts practice and we were doing kick drills with partners. My friend was holding the bag and we started the drill. As soon as I threw the first kick I hear behind me some guy yelling, "AYEAYEAYEAYEAKIYA!!!" I turn around to look and its a guy I have never seen at practice before. My friend and I laughed about it but tried to keep it down since we didn't want to be rude and then kept going with the drill. After practice we laughed a lot and were like, "Who was that guy?" Then another friend walked up and he heard us talking and laughing about the experience... He said, "Oh thats a friend of our teacher's ... he's the Tae Kwon Do World Champion." So, we were laughing at the Tae Kwon Do World Champion.

I figure the theme here is don't judge a book by its cover, but maybe there are more or better themes.

Thanks a lot for your help.

Hey,
The reason i posted my story was because I wanted some opinions/help on my story, i want to know if it is a DHV story and what ik can say to make it a better story. Sorry if my intention wasn't clear!

Greetings

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Nice thing about stories like this is everyone has one like it, so you share a commonality with the person your telling it to. What makes the story intresting instead of boreing is how you tell it. You didnt do to bad, you did some good things, told it in chronological order and also shared some emotions...however we might be able to improve on it.

MY Version:
"I just cant stand being late, that reminds me of this one morning going with like a dozen of my buddies to a car show. We all had nice cars, but we had to be there way early. So we had to up at like 7 in the morning and woke up a bit late, it was just one of those mornings were since you gotta be somewhere on time everything is going wrong.

So my buddies driving ahead of us on the freeway and is busting like over 100 mph, im trying to call him to get him to slow down because i figure going to the show in wrecked cars, or worse not making it, isnt worth the rush even though its killing me that we are late.

Well i couldnt get him on the phone and lo and behold this truck merges in front of me and cuts me off....ima smash into him if i dont swerve so i swerve over, and thats when everything goes slo mo. Its funny because right then the back of my car starts sliding and then im spinning and all i am thinking in my head is, "MY PARENTS ARE GONNA KILL ME!" So after what seemed like hours my car came to a stop...against the railing and thank god it was 5 star crash rated.

I came out fine and no one was hurt, but i learned an important lesson that night aside from driving responsibly....and thats listen to the lil voice in your head telling you not to do dumb shit."


Theres lots of things you could use to tie into this story, ask a leading question like, "You guys ever been in an accident?" or "Are you guys morning people or evening people?" or "Are you guys like always on time or always running late somewhere?"

You can use it to tie into the accident, to tie into the fact you were wakeing up early even though you arent a morning person, or tie into the fact that you dont like being late.

Also if you used the "you look like trouble and you look like the nice one" or any variation of that before your story, you can tie back to it at the end as a false disqualifier...

"....and thats listen to the lil voice in your head telling you not to do dumb shit.

You know kinda like how it tells me to stay away from girls who are trouble. "

Hope this helps.

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Intresting story as it is, we might be able to tweak it. Funny thing is i thought Abu Dhabi was just from Garfeild, you know where hes alwasy trying to mail Nermal one way to Abu Dhabi because Nermal is annoying. In anycase i digress...

My Version:
"So when i was 19 i lived in Abu Dhabi. (**OPTIONAL**You know some people think its not a real place, just the place that Garfeild is always sending Nermal? Anyway...**) My father was a diplomat at the time. In anycase i decided to go to this club a friend of my family owned with my girlfriend at the time and another couple. This club was amazing, it was on a marina and the ocean/river behind it provided an amazing view.

So im sitting with my girl and we are enjoying ourselves and then all the sudden i felt something hit my ear hard. I get up and swing around only to see 2 guys standing there. They claimed to be CID, undercover police, and were saying they were gonna take me in for being intimate in public.

Im no fool, so i told them im not going anywhere, that i had diplomatic immunity and knew M, the owner of the club who was married to my sister. They insisted i come with them but i just grabbed my girl and my friends and we left. Then i called my father and M...M actually suggested i should hit them back lol. In anycase it helps to know how things work when your outta the country your used to."

Something like this...touches a lil seperatly on some of the points. Let me know what you think.

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Thanks a lot man! I love how you pepper the DHV material casualy on different parts of the story. Very smooth and subtle. I like how you say "enjoying ourselves" instead "making out" (though I think here in brazil it's allright if I say "making out").

Oh, do you think it would be alright to pretend it happened last year?

I didn't know that one about garfield. LOL Gonna look it up. Abu Dhabi is a big part of my and my family's life. My dad opened the first brazilian embassy there in 1979 and my sister still lives with my nefew in Dubai (which i'm sure you've heard about) 2h drve from AD.

Great Job. Cheers!