So I've been "hanging out" with this chick for some time now, we did 2 day dates where we grabbed lunch/coffee. (I usually do this as an ice breakers, plus it lets me see if I even wanna see the girl again so that I don't have to be committed for an entire evening).

I've recieved some mixed feedback from friends so I wanted to see what you guys think,

At the restaurant, especially on the 1st date, is it okay for the guy to pay?

Being cheap is one of the biggest turn offs a girl can see in a guy, but at the same time there's a theory where if you pay for a girl on the 1st date, she automatically feels like you are trying to buy her attention.

I plan to pay, but by saying "I'll take care of this, you take care of desert; or You got the bill next time"

Thoughts on this?

Never pay. Roll a 30 sided dice once a month, whatever # it lands on take her out that day of the month and pay.

If you aren't meek about it. Take charge, you won't appear as a push over and you won't seem like a cheap-o. You'll just have to feel it out by how she acts and besides if it's a crappy date I wouldn't pay for her anyway.

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i think you should do something else other than a "dinner date". when you do a dinner date theres a lot of pressure. Plus every guy does the dinner date thing.. i feel if you do dinner she assumes your taking care of the tab, and if not your setting your self up for an awkward situation.. ask her if she wants to get drinks, go to a bar where you can conversate without distractions. when the bill comes she most def will put out her purse.. look at the bill togethere and throw down half plus the tip and she will do the same.. i've done it three occasions and kiss closed every time at the end of the date.. good luck my friend..

I think this way: Pay, but don't in a "I-WILL-PAY!!!" way. While it is actually of no matter (20 bucks won't kill you), subconsciously it can mean a lot - but only if you try to use it as a pickup technique. What I'm trying to say is that if you make a big deal of it, like "I-am-paying,-look-at-me-I-like-you-I-am-trying-to-buy-your-attention-and-
attraction", than you will come off as needy, trying to control guy who forces woman into relationship/bed. If you don't make a big deal of it, don't even mention it, than you can pay freely.

But, there are a lot of PUA-guru's and they say make her pay her own drinks, so they probably know better than I.

Anyways, Carpe Diem.

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I usually tell a girl

"I'm going to Starbucks this weekend, you could join me"

Whether you pay or not, it's little money, and there goes your date,

BY THE WAy, NO, I WILL NOT PAY MORE THAN 10 DOLLARS FOR A GIRL, I HAVENT YET, AND I WONT

Anyway, that's not the point, the point is "Im going to "X" place, whether you come with me or not"

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Guys listen up.
On the first date you already have her attention, thats why shes going on the date with you. For goodness sake pay for her...if you dont:
YES - She will think your a tight ass
YES - She will tell her (hot) friends you are a tight ass
Of course you never buy a girl drinks when you just met her - that is buying her respect and a turn off. But on a first date its not buying her respect - YOU ALREADY HAVE IT!

Respect,
Excitement

Excitement, I disagree. It is simply buying her respect into bed. It's about the state of mind, and it relays on everybody's style of game. Just be yourself - if it isn't a problem, you can buy it. But, if the bill is huge, split it - it is not a good move to buy expensive things, whether dinners or diamonds. If she has a problem with that, DUMP HER!

Carpe Diem

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

Its not buying her respect into bed because she has shown interest (for whatever reason) to want to go on a date with you.
Paetar - Absolutely, i would not recommend buying her expensive things, hell no. I would not even take her to an expensive restaurant. Just a casual cafe or similar. Nothing too special, so she thinks that your not trying hard to impress.
When it comes to paying the bill: this line is good - "I'll take care of this one, buy me a drink next time" Its good in 2 ways - 1 your showing dominance and 2 your automatically setting up another meet!
respect, excitement.