I'm here to make sure things are kosher, so the rest of the mods can take a chill pill.

I'm skeptical about all this, but I'd never turn down an opportunity to learn. I believe I know all I wanted to about the OMS, but we'll see if I'm proven wrong.

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- Zip

What do you think about OMS Zip?

I'm curious to hear a woman's perspective on the whole concept.

- Chris

For starters, I've been studying NLP and patterns hardcore lately and I've noticed that the little weasel phrases mixed in with C&F can be more effective than the October Man. Strong Inner-game and a great frame with an aura of self-confidence will be more effective than a half assed scripted OMS ran on a chick. The October Man really isnt as hyped as it is to be, if you have a strong frame and can mix and match your own patterns using fractionation/symbolic morphology and link it to yourself then it creates the same results as the October Man. Probably even better.
Trust me on this, I have every PDF on SS by RJ and In10se, the audios, Hypnotica's DVD's, and in order to even get OMS down right without making yourself look like a creepy asshole requires a lot. You have to direct the target very carefully. Infact, directing the target is probably an exponential amount harder than following through with the OMS.

Personally I think that a majority of you just want the PDF to see it and hope that it can give you heavy artillery to fuck close on chicks. Honestly, you can do this without the October Man, and unless you have a passion for psychology and deep mind games related to energy, I dont reccomend you use it. Not because its "dangerous" but because you'll only dissapoint yourself causing you to hurt your inner game. And for those of you saying inner-game is another word for "self confidence", thats not even a fraction of it.

Like Chief said, It's really not fucking worth it. And this is coming from someone who isn't a moderator or just another blind PUA. Trust me I thought OMS would be a great quick fix, but it isnt. It's actually more self destructive if you cant do it right. Self destructive to your confidence after it fails you, and to your ability to create attraction. In order to even have a chance of OMS working you must create attraction, comfort and everything else that follows Mystery's M3 Model. In fact, I'd suggest other forbidden patterns instead but I wouldn't want another Green Ranger popping up trying to teach another forbidden pattern.

I have a really awful view of it, to be quite frank. However, I'm always about educating oneself about things you aren't sure about and THEN making a decision based on information rather than speculation.

I'll answer this question after further study. I'm not jumping on any bandwagons here.

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- Zip

Well put, although I'd like to caution everyone intent on learning these skills, that they CAN be dangerous, although are not inherantly so.

As far as I understand it, you use the OMS to leverage some sort of trauma in her childhood, or young life (read something to this effect on another thread by Green Ranger) and then link good feelings to you somehow. That's a very vague understanding and I intend to learn more about it in the future, so I won't draw too many conclusions and attempt to keep an open mind like Zip.

The point I have, is that leveraging early life trauma has the potential to severely fuck someone up. The girl I was seeing has had a pretty fucked up life and there's stuff in her childhood that she has caused herself to forget (she doesn't remember basically anything before she was 13). Are you so arrogant to think that you can identify those people on sight and within the first 15 minutes of meeting them go that deep into their psyche without serious consequences? Scares the shit out of me and I intend to dig around inside people's heads for a living, cause I want to be a sex therapist dealing with rape cases and such.

Who knows, maybe with the right skill level and knowledge, I might be capable of using the OMS in order to get rid of the negative effects that those previous traumas in life have upon that girl I mentioned, making her stable enough to enter into a relationship with me like I would like. With the right level of skill in psychology in general I know it would be possible. So I don't label OMS as evil, I merely say use caution in it's application.

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"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

About 90% of girls will have trauma in their life. Dad's leaving them, divorces, rape, sexual harassment, abuse. ect. Infact, change that to 100%.

It is a little fucked up playing with these memories of a girl or bringing them back just to get her turned on but people will do it. If they know how.
It worries me that people don't know what to properly do with the painful memories that you bring out of the target, and will just leave it at there. This is crucial to doing OMS properly, relieving the pain with pleasure, to become the solution to their lives. HOWEVER, once you become the solution be prepared to commit yourself to them because it is not a fucking joke. They will NEED you to survive daily, they will DEPEND on you, and you WILL hurt them in the end.

So like everyone else said, its really not fucking worth it for a few fucks.
There are other ways within Speed Seduction to fuck close without causing and risking so much trauma. There are other forbidden patterns that won't risk the damage that can be done.

And if you do decide to use the October Man, don't bring out the pain as much as pleasure/don't use a severly traumatic experience to bring out the pain. Focus more on the pleasure.

Basic outline:

1.Elicit a state/identity/body sensation
2.Turn it into a symbol
3.Manipulate the symbol
4.Link it to you
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To begin today I would like for student to ATLEAST to beable to control the direction of the conversation! Meaning.....

ME= What do you like better dogs or cats?
Girl= Cats
ME= Women are just like cats b/c ect. ect. ect.
Girl= I agree/Yeah/ That reminds me/ (WTF ever the answer is)
Me= OO that reminds me of...(some sex related story weather it be in biology so the topic of sex will be logical or About an experiance so the topic of sex will be sentual)

My point is to Elict what you want out of her. You MUST DIRECT THE CONVERSATION in the AREA YOU WANT IT TO GO!

TRY diffrent states
1. Sexual conversation
2. romantic conversation
3. Comfort conversation

Before we get to elicting you have to direct the conversation in the area you WANT IT to go!

NEXT there are 3 diffrent ways to bring about the conversation

1.Past
2.Present
3.Future

SO THIS MEANS
1. past= remebering
2. Present= Living in the moment
3. Future= imagining
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GUESS WHAT GIRLS LOVE DETAILS!
Make sure your stories include ALL five senses for MAX results!
Seeing, touching, smelling, tasting, Hearing

Heres an example of what i would say inorder to DIRECT the conversation & GET HER TO LIVE IT IN THE MOMENT (present)

Me= The other day i saw my ex girlfreind and she was looking SEXY. (details) she had on this Firey Red dress, she came up and kissed me and her lips was tasting Like Fresh ripe strawberries, her hands were so soft when she grabbed my hands, and all i could her her say was "i missed you"

Girl= Wow she sounds pretty (in a jealous tone), you still love her?

Me= Well check this out lets pretend that you all dressed up(give details on how sexy she would look) and you did that to me(in details again) how would you expect me to handle that situation? Would you be suprised if i said no i dident miss you?

NOW THE CONVERSATION CAN GO TWO WAYS SHE COULD SAY "I WOUDENT DO THAT" Or 'What SHE WOULD DO" EITHER WAY IS IN YOUR FAVOR IF YOU MAKE IT!

Girl=I woudent do that!

me= well what would you do?

Girl= i woudent talk to you!

me= Well what if i grabbed you by the waist (pull her close) and i told you i missed you (in details on what you would say, hear, taste smell, how it feels physically) How would you handle that?

I done this story to about 12 diffrent girls and about 7 of them dont answer we just kiss!
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Assignment TWo

1. Practise directing conversations with everone!
2. IF someone asks you a question PURPOSELY IGNORE IT AND SAY wHAT YOU INTENDEDTO SAY FROM THE BEGGINING (it put you in control of the group and in the conversation)

3. PRACTISE TALKING IN DETAILS!!!!

4. Try on atleast 12 women and post results

DUE 5/18/08

Class will contiune On 5/13/08 STAY ALERT! Any questions? PM me ASAP!

Do you guys have any fucking idea what kind of crazy men are on this thing called the "internet," looking for something EXACTLY like this because they are wishing for something they don't understand (or care about) the consequences?

There are some wbAFCs out there with a oneitis they are completely obsessed with, and the HB probably doesn't know he EXISTS. Imagine a man like this, with a fucked up head on his shoulders, an irresponsible and distorted view of reality after having lived with his crazy feminist mother up until the age of 27, learning this forbidden sequence. He can TRAP this woman into an addiction, an obsession, and the options in her life will be severely limited. She can forget about her own aspirations, her career, her boyfriend of 2 and a half years, her best friend in the hospital with no one else to turn to, all over an OBSESSION for a nearsighted, immature, 27 year old who plays World of Warcraft.

Think with some fucking sense. I am one step away from locking this thread, too.

Thank you for saying what I didn't have the balls to.


We've been trying to say it nicely. It's come to this. THE OCTOBER MAN IS NOT MEANT TO BE AVAILABLE TO EVERYONE. This is not because everyone is a bunch of PRICK ELITISTS, it's because in order to use this, you must UNDERSTAND what you are using. You must be able to tell when is enough. You must be able to step back from a situation, and look at it completely and one hundred percent unbiased and OBJECTIVELY.

The October Man is out and available on the internet. The PDF, and audio from IN01SE are not hard to come by. However, they are intentionally vague. There is a reason for this. And it has to do with the reader. The reader of the available October Man material can do one of two things.

They can read it, think to themselves, "God damn, this is vague and sounds hard... and then give up because it's too much work, and not really worth it to them.

Then, there's the person who NEEDS to know the October Man. I was this person. You read, and reread and listen, and re listen to anything and everything, to the point of MEMORIZATION. You find all sorts of information everywhere possible. Seduction and non-seduction related material. Nothing will stand in the way of you figuring out the October Man. It becomes the only thing you can think about, focus on for days on end.

And then you finally have all the pieces to the puzzle at your arsenal. You fit the pieces together. One by one, and the picture that you've worked so intently to obtain starts to become clearer, and clearer, until it is crisp, and settles in your mind. It once again becomes the focus of your life, until suddenly, at some point into this OBSESSION it hits you...

You UNDERSTAND OBSESSION. You UNDERSTAND the October Man.




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EDIT:

IF you're still confused, consider this:

Where I've lived, many of the Police have the option to carry a stun gun in place of or alongside pepper spray/mace as their form of "Less-than-Lethal" subduing equipment.

BUT, before being allowed to carry this equipment, they must do two things so that they understand what this stun gun is capable of. The first is they must take a class on the equipment, the uses, risks, and concerns. Then, they must be stunned by the equipment they will be carrying.

The point is, that sometimes it is hard to realize what something is capable of until you have experienced it first hand. The October Man is one of these things. Without knowing what an obsession like this can do to someone's life, you are ill equipped with the potential to do something unintended.

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Mimicking an artist never leads to true success... However becoming an artist mimicked is true success

In order to Control The conversation You must first control over yourself!
Control the state you are in! CONTROL YOUR FRAME! For a sexual frame which i approch with every girl!

Pupil dilation for sexual tension
Background Info: Pupils dilate when we have a broad focus and when we’re in dark, because less light hits the eye.
Dilated pupils = Sign of mutual liking
In general, we tend to like people that *genuinely* like us - so this is powerful and subtle at the same time!

To have an intense gaze to build massive amounts of sexual tension, do this:

Dilate your pupils
- soft gaze instead of hard focus, extend vision to a broad area instead of fixed point
Look between eyes
- don’t switch eyes you look at
- rather look at the point between her eyes, above nose
Look “behind” her
- don’t focus *on* her
- instead focus on a point slightly behind her head, as if looking through her –> huge impact!
Do this three things –> immense sexual tension!

Then You do this Your Jokes, Words, and Sentances AUTOMATICALLY come out in a sexual and seductive way.

Practise this! This is How i usally get Lusty kisses 99% of the time. Is a matter of fact! i was thinking about posting this ALL DAY so i tried it in a mall! i got 4 kisses out of the 4 girls i Saurged!

(With my pupil dilated) (girl was in the food court walking byherself she was a 7)
Me- So what would it take for you to love me?
Girl- WoW your fucking weird! (Who gives a fuck, shes smiling saying it)
Me- No in my culture we say that in a spiritual way! We are past this Physical body (im indian) I mean when you die (Shes starting to fall 4 my eyes trance)
Girl- OOH well as long as with im with god in heaven im happy
Me-Well try this you will get a feeling from heaven RIGHT NOW!
Girl- ok how?
Me- Look into my eyes and as you look at them Breath the same time as me deeply!
Girl-..........(she leans in 4 a kiss)
Me- (i pull away)
Girl- Your so cute! lol
ME- trust me i know! Lets try that again!
Girl- ..... (i pull her close and rub her back) kiss me.
Me- (we kiss)

ONE MORE THING TO PRACTISE!
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When your talking to a girl give her the gaze ALONG WITH THIS!

Tell her to stop talking or lead the conversation and say...

look me in the eyes and breath the same time as me. Or YOu just copy her breath. At this point she is going to BOND SUPER STRONG WITH YOU! this is a trick i learned from Steve Piccus Himself. 80% will result in a kiss The other 20% will result is a Strong feeling of closeness and romanic associated with you.

I usually can pull girls useing this 8/10 times on gils starting at 7 to 8 in looks. 9 and 10 require alittle more class unless in a club!

MAKE GIRLS FEEL YOUR POWERFUL PREESENSE TO BEGIN WITH! ONCE DONE THEN elciting values can be preformed! But that not untill next clas talk to you soon! Any questions email asap

Not a problem for me as my pupils are always dilated, always.


So far this just sounds like stuff im already doing, so why havn't i got girls falling in love with everywhere, actually i probably have but im just not realising it. I think i need to buy that book 'how to pick up girls for dummies'.

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To effectively communicate, we must realise that we are all different in the way we percieve the world and use this understanding as a guide to our communication with others.

Really though that will never happen.

But what if a man aged 27 that is a rich prick that doesnt use oms, picks up a girl He can TRAP this woman into an addiction, an obsession, and the options in her life will be severely limited. She can forget about her own aspirations, her career, her boyfriend of 2 and a half years, her best friend in the hospital with no one else to turn to, all over an OBSESSION for a nearsighted, immature, 27 year old who is incredibly wealthy.

Same shit different story.

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I love it

my thoughts exactly. i think this should be locked

If PUA has taught me anything, it's that the more forbidden or taboo something is, the more likely it is that we attempt to learn about or experience it out of curiosity.

Nothing can really stop the dissemination of information on the Internet, and this is something that many people will seek out via search engines. Better it be somewhat controlled than not at all.

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Interesting

I doubt that it will work very well to look between the the eyes.

Wouldn´t it be better to look inte her right eye and tell her to do the same instead, for instance (or at least look inte her right eye with both eyes)

I also doubt that "what would it take for you to love me?" will make her go on talking to you in most cases.

"What´s the best moment of your life?" or maybe even "I can make you fall in love with anyone" seems to be a better attentiongetter.

Have anyone else tried Green Ranger´s example by the way?