It seems like Mystery and Mehow contradict each other when it comes to opening.

Mystery specifically says don't go up to a girl and start hitting on her and touching her, instead wait for some IOIs. And Mystery is always really casual with his openers, making it seem like he's not really even trying to meet a girl, but instead, he just has something on his mind and needs to ask the nearest person their opinion.

Mehow, on the other hand, will just go up and say "wohoo" or "hi, you seem fun. I had to come say hi." So he's telegraphing some kind of interest. And then he will proceed to start kino IMMEDIATELY. At least this is what he does everytime on his in field videos on youtube.

I understand that for different girls, you might need different openers, just based on what you can cold read about them by looking at them. But then again, Mehow does this on pretty much every opener that I've watched of his, and it just seems like its his style. But of course it works cause he is a great PUA.

So I was wondering if anyone has opinions on how these guys both are successful. It just seems like Mehow is basically going against Mystery's theories by telegraphing interest, both in the opener and by doing Kino so early.

Go with a Mystery type opener. One of the main reasons why Mehow's approaches work so well is because he comes across as GAY and non-threatening. Therefore, he can telegraph as much interest as possible at the very beginning of the interaction, without creeping the girl out and posing a threat. The way Mystery approaches is incredible - he could not be more nonchalant and seemingly apathetic. However, this requires a shit load of confidence to pull this off. Just don't indicate interest until she does and don't be her bitch.

I like the Mystery type method simply because it seems like the less you care about a girl the more she desires you.

It depends on what works best with your personality and the type of girl you are approaching. You shouldn't copy exactly what they do, but take bits and pieces and mold it into something that works for you.

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Thanks for the feedback, it helps a lot. Killians, it doesn't really depend on the type of girl because Mehow telegraphs interest with EVERY single set, thats his style. And Hobbit, I realize that there are different styles, but my point was that it seemed like Mehow was going AGAINST THE THEORIES which seem to say DON'T telegraph interest.

But I think Castig is actually onto something that Mehow DOES follow the theories, only because he comes across as GAY so he can telegraph as much interest as he wants. That makes sense and would explain why he doesn't get blown out of sets.

I agree that you should just do what works for you, but for many beginners and even for "somewhat experienced" people like myself, it still helps to have a model to watch and learn from. Even though I'm practicing in the field every week, theres always more to learn, so I keep watching field videos from Master PUAs to consciously and subconsciously pick up on their techniques and ingrain it into my head.

This makes me wonder if its even good for guys to model Mehow, because if you look like a pretty cool, straight guy, and you don't come across as gay, you might be telegraphing way too much interest with his style.

So to sum it up, I would agree with a couple of the posts that for most guys, the mystery method is probably better. It leaves a lot more intrigue and its pretty hard to activate a girl's bitch shield when you act like you aren't even slightly interested in her.

Again, I realize you need to do what works for you, but at the same time, we shouldn't underestimate the power of copying the style from a Master PUA, especially for beginners. Doesn't mean you have to copy his every word, but its helpful to have a model like him to base your style off of. Then, as you get more experienced, you can constantly be evolving and personalizing it.

I'm gonna have to disagree. I use different approaches all the time and have had success with being direct. A couple of weeks ago I approached 2 girls, put my hands on their arms and was as direct as you can get - "Holy fucking shit! You guys are sexy as fuck.". I got them both to hug me, give me a kiss on either cheek, and gave them both a twirl so I could get a better look. After this, I said "You guys are pretty fun. Well, bye!" and moved back to the guys I was with. One of them approached me later on the dance floor and we danced very little, if you get me.

After a while we moved somewhere quieter and had a normal conversation, I got to know her a little and... a gentleman never tells. The reason I feel the approach worked was because of the following:

1. I telegraphed a lot of interest but was having fun with it, so it wasn't intimidating or predatory. I shall call this the "You're sexy, so what?" approach.

2. Showed a willingness to walk away at the height of the interaction. If you're having lots of fun then walk away, it demonstrates absolutely zero neediness. That's some serious preselection you have there.

2. They were attracted to me already. Yes folks, if she likes the look of you it doesn't really matter what you say. If they want to meet you and you approach demonstrating similar intent, they'd have to be crazy to push you away. When you look at a girl you really like, you know you want to fuck her. What do you think she feels when she sees a man she likes? It's not rocket science.

On that note I agree with your point, because not every girl is gonna be attracted to you... so it is kinda hit and miss, then again if you're good at reading body language and IOI's then you can pretty much choose who you want from those who are showing interest.

I totally agree that if she's already attracted to you, you can pretty much say anything and you'll be fine. But I don't think thats the point of why we are all in this. If all of us were walking around and tons of women were falling all over us, I don't think most of us would be here. You'd have to be pretty damn socially inept to be an AFC under those conditions.

The great thing about the whole new movement starting with the mystery method is that an average or even sub average looking guy can systematically demonstrate higher value and therefore practically force a girl to be attracted to him when just 10 minutes ago, she wasn't attracted at all.

I know personally, I'm not worried about what to say to the women who already find me attractive. Thats easy. I'm trying to learn how to systematically attract the HB8-10's that have their bitch shields up. And if you're an average looking guy, those women will generally blow you out if you approach directly.

So in those cases, its important to start implementing the mystery method and approaching indirectly, as well as showing pre-selection.

Feel free to disagree, I think its good to hear different opinions.

Good point. However sometimes they may be attracted to you and not know why. Attraction isn't a choice, remember? I agree with what you're saying though, these methods exist so we can attract the exact woman we want, to take our pick of the litter, however the reality I have seen doesn't always live up to that. You need to be really, really good and have your routines etc perfected. To be honest I'd rather be with a woman who was genuinely attracted to me from the offset. It's far easier to be congruent and maintain a relationship that way.

Dalziel, I completely understand what you're saying. Either method can work and it's great that a direct approach a la Mehow has worked for you. As you said, it's extremely beneficial to utilize this particular approach if the HB is already demonstrating interest and attraction. However, if you have any doubt that an HB is not already interested in you, err on the side of caution and use a Mystery approach. You CANNOT fail with this approach, because there seems to be nothing for the HB to reject. She does not feel threatened, and thus there is no need for her to want you to get the fuck out.

I'm surprised Mehow doesn't freak some girls out, doing kino on them the minute he meets them. Some girls must surely feel overwhelmed, having their personal space so rapidly invaded? Perhaps he just accepts a high failure rate, as I guess you can go through a massive amount of girls with such a rapid approach, and still get "lucky" within a few minutes?

Or perhaps he's just a natural, or has developed into a natural?

I think its important to remember that were here to learn techniques that help us get girls we couldnt normally get. If a girls attracred to you anyway then no proble, if a girls a slut then who gives a shit shes yours anyway, no accomplishment there.
But the classier girls dont respond well to direct openers and im always sceptical of youtube vids as they could have tried the approach 20 times and posted the one that worked out well. Thats not pick up thats just ratio, throw enough darts youll hit a bullseye.
Im a follower of the mystery method personally. A lot less to lose in the way of respect from obseving girls and even a failed pick-up attempt can often leave you with 3-4 more friends that may potentialy introduce you to more HB's when you bump into them next time.
Direct come on's are for women you could seduce anyway for whatever reason.

I have to completely disagree with what you said about mehow, he doesn't come off as gay(what are you talking about), he comes off as a fun, party guy, looking to meet cool, interesting people. He is non-threatening because he is so Comfortable with his surroundings.

Hahahahahahah, this better be an atrocious attempt at humor. If it's not, then I guess you're just probably a repressed homosexual who also talks like a queer. Listen to Mehow's voice - it's the stereotypical gay voice that they use in movies and tv shows. It could not be more flaming. If you honestly believe that Mehow doesn't come across as gay, then you might as well deny the existence of homosexuality.

haha omg this was really fun. Dont understand what maskulin you can find in this guy.

mystery all the way...