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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 8:54 am 
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Hi I am new here and this is my first question. I wanted to take time and read and learn the lingo and EVERYTHING else but a situation has arisen and now things are urgent.

first a little background. I dated this chick 5 yrs ago when i was 23. we dated a few months I fell in love with her so of course she dumped me.

about 3 and a half years later we start talking again via myspace, i was just coming out of a 3 year relationship and about to go to Iraq in a few months. Because I was heartbroken(left for my best friend, cliche) and about to leave I just wanted to stay friends. She however wanted to date and we ended up dating for a few months.

She said I was the best sex she's ever had and I felt the same about her. Unfortunately I made some huge mistakes (i didn't know any PUA stuff then! I still barely know anything) I mean big mistakes including the one I made the first time telling her I loved her! Again! I know I know. So she became less attracted and to the point of saying things that piss me off. I told her if she was acting that way we probably should just be friends and she got super pissed and didn't talk to me anymore.

about 6 months later i.e; several weeks ago, she started messaging and acting friendly again. By this point i had read about PUA and keeping things light and funny. I was glad because I do enjoy being friends with her even if we aren't dating. we messaged here and there but not much, and only when initiated by her! I had a girlfriend I casually mentioned to her but we broke up 2 weeks ago(never very serious anyway) She doesn't know me and my g/f broke up yet tho. I figured I have a lot of time to learn PUA techniques(at least on paper) out here while I am in Iraq. here is where it becomes urgent;(starts at the bottom)



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From: XXXXXXXXXX
Date: Apr 20, 2008 9:14 AM


No, there was no hack... Thanks about the hair. I've been doing a lot of evaluation about the last year- and I can say I have 3 regrets... One of those is the way I treated you. You were nothing but considerate and affectionate... That scared me. I had been so jaded by all the jerks I dated that someone who didn't have some obvious flaw had to have something wrong somewhere so I did what I could to drive you away before I got hurt again. I'm sorry. I just want you to know that I now realize how badly I treated you and there is no excuse, I was wrong. Can you forgive me? and I really do miss you.

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From: jackson
Date: Apr 19, 2008 11:50 PM

i think your account got hacked. you can't stand me lol. i decided i like your hair btw.

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: XXXXXXXXXX
Date: Apr 19, 2008 2:43 PM


... i miss you



My jaw hit the ground! I literally could not believe it. no obvious flaws?? what?? i'm as flawed as a guy can be! I am not super handsome but I am not hideous either. I can be a real dork sometimes, but I do get complimented on being funny often.

ok so I need professional help. I need to know what to say.
I DO want to have her as a friend but I would like to sleep with her when I am back home. We have great chemistry and she is totally my hottest x-girlfriend. i mean like super hot, like damn I can't believe she's dating me hot.
I DON'T want to have another failed relationship with her. I think the stress of a long distance relationship would be too hard on her and we would break up again.

I will be able to see her for 2 weeks in august but she doesn't know this yet. after that I wont see her until next February. Also I need to know where to start with this whole PUA thing like a simple guide with simple rules. Also what are the BEST books I should buy?

Any and all help much appreciated I have never been lucky in this area and I hope this PUA thing is a turning point.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2008 2:34 pm 
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If I am an expert in anything, they are in long-term relationships. So perhaps I can lend you a hand here.

At this point, I think you definitely have your head in the right place--learning PUA, recognizing what a mistake long-distance relationships are, etc. Good start.

First thing you need to do is remove the high stakes that this girl carries. It is tough, I know, but this girl being so important is what will kill your resolve in the long run. Talk to most of the more experienced people out here, and they will tell you how they are attracting much more beautiful women than they ever were before; and they can select who they wish to attract, rather than then lucking out from time to time. So this girl being the hottest, coolest girl you've ever dated ought to play a small role--there will always be hotter, cooler women out there. And I feel your pain, because a past with someone makes them incredibly attractive to me as well.

As for practical advice on how to keep the girl in the right place (where she apparently is right now)--

First--you do have flaws and she knows it. She's just tooting your horn because, chances are, she probably does miss you. Be honest with her, but don't look needy. There is a difference between considerate and honest and communicating that her presence is crucial to your happiness.

Allow me to quote from Dr. David Lieberman's How to Get Anyone to Do Anything:
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It is bad advice, though often given, that you don't want to build up someone's confidence, and be overly flattering and complimentary, because then she will "know that you like her" and back off. To a degree, we know this can be true, because when someone likes us, while we are flattered, we can find ourselves less interested in that person. This reaction comes courtesy of the rule that says, We want what we can't have and want more of that which we have to work for. Simply, if it falls in our laps we tend to have less appreciation for it.

But herein lies the crucial difference between being attentive and kind versus telling her that she is your entire world and the only person for you. (Because, as we talked about, this removes doubt and begins to erode the passion.) The former is more objective and has to do primarily with her. The latter involves your relationship and invokes the rule of scarcity. Notice the crucial difference between saying how much you like this person—which makes you lose leverage—and telling her that she is a likable and great person. Merely stating that somebody is terrific makes her feel great and makes you look great. It's a winning combination because it's only the confident person who tells another how wonderful and terrific she is. And we like confident and secure people! The distinction is often blurred and we end up trying to "play it cool" and not wanting to "show our hand." This accomplishes little and creates a cold and uncomfortable SPAM. But lavishing this person with "objective" praise shows you in the best and most confident light and makes her feel great! Again, you want to let her know that you think she's great but not that she is your whole world and that you can't live without her.
I think this way is the best way to think about it. You want to maintain emotional control--this is crucial. If she thinks you are there to stay, then the passion will disappear and you will be relegated to the "nice" guy that she feels no chemistry with. But that doesn't mean you can't tell her what an amazing person you though she was.

When you do this, just be careful of a few things. Don't use words like "best"--"best sex", "best girlfriend", etc. you're putting her on a pedestal.

Also, don't talk about how she hurt you, upset you, or anything like that. First, you want to appear as emotionally unflappable as possible (not cold, just unflappable)--it shows that she doesn't have control over you. Second, it is unproductive. Even if you can logically convince her that she did wrong, she can't be convinced that she ought to be attracted to you. You don't have to mince words, and you can tell her that she acted pretty cruelly or something (if that is something you want to say), but you don't talk about her effect on you. Just don't try to guilt trip her, or anything of the kind--this is just another issue of you maintaining control of the relationship...you don't let her get away with whatever she wants.

My suggestion for when you meet her in a couple weeks...flirt with her, kino, even make out. Whether you go beyond that is a judgment call. Making out is cool--obviously you two are still attracted to each other. But I would stop it there. If it happens again, and things get hot and heavy just say that you don't want to go further, because you know that you don't want to be unfair to her, because you don't want to get too involved in things again before you go off to Iraq. Tell her you don't know what the future holds, and that you don't want to be seen as the guy who just takes advantage of her and leaves.

If she doesn't care or she reinitiates, then you can go for it. After all, it was her choice. And don't be afraid to talk about this in the heat of the moment if you can keep the energy up. Chances are she is more likely to acquiesce to something when she is turned on, which will give you even more power.

As for where to start on books, PM me, I have a few suggestions.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 22, 2008 9:33 am 
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thx for the advice! i didn't know if semi-long term relationship questions would even be answered. i took your suggestions to heart and I think the strategy you gave me will work perfectly.


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