Firstly excuse me if I come across as an AFC, maybe it’s because I am.
However, after looking through the forums for a while I need some help with a situation I am going to be in as well as an "in general" question. However, I will start with a little about myself which could possibly be a problem (both in my own confidence and how it comes across)
I have a disability (no sob story intended) from birth, Brittle Bones. Because of it I have had over 60 major bones fractured in my life. It has mainly affected my legs which has caused a few side effects. In regards to women, the most noticeable is the fact I am short (5ft 1, my legs are quite short) and also my legs are very skinny. I also usually use crutches to walk around even tho I don’t need them. This obviously isn’t good and for a start I have some confidence issues with it. However, all is not lost. I frequently get commented on how toned my upper body (arms, six pack etc.) and I am also told I am very attractive in the face. I am also complimented on my sense of humour (I am funny and generally confident, once I am comfortable). I am also intelligent but luckily I can pull this off without seeming to be a swat or such things.

1) So, I guess this is the general question. What can I/should I do about these physical features that are undoubtly unattractive? Is there any way I can get around them and still be successful with women? Any general advice on this sort of thing? I guess I have a bit of AA.

Ok, now the more specific question. About a month ago I meet a girl outside a friend’s house, we were both in our cars and had about a 30second convo. That evening, she added me on facebook and cutting a long story short, we have been IM and txting etc for that time. I have been using negs etc all to success. The whole questions to each other and stuff have gone onto sexual reference etc. We are both very comfortable with talking to eachother and are both happy to talk about anything openly.
However, in a few days I am going on the first proper date and it’s just going to be to a movie. There will be 4 of us there, 1 mutual friend and her bf.

2) My worries are the first approach, even though I feel we know each other very well, when in person things can be a lot different. So I am not quite sure how to play the introduction (well sort of introduction). I really don’t want to C&B and be put into the LJBF category before we start.

3)Also, assuming things go ok and I start kino up etc and I get a response I will make a move, although I am not sure when you guys think would be the best time to make a move. I know there are arguments for the end of the date and also against it. On a side note while talking on webcam, she basically said she wants a kiss during the movie. I am also concerned I won’t pick up on IOI's if she isn’t obvious.

Any help would be appreciated and again sorry if I sound like a AFC, I am new to this but I am a quick learner

/Madals

Right dude heres wat u do, wen u see her give her a kiss mid way between her lips and her cheek see how she responds to this, if she smiles, also check her BL if shes all frozen up shes not ready to be kissed yet. Hold hands with her and ur sure to get some IOI's!Pay for the movie if she insists that u dont pay for it u make a deal with her u get the movie if she gets the drinks.

During the movie dont worry about IOIs i personally hate going to the movies with girls because u dont get to talk to them play game with them part from kino. Ask her a Q during the movie about the movie, when she turns to answer it hit her with Kiss, just a small one but keep your head close as she might want a bigger one.

Hope all goes well my good man,

Good Luck,
Mr.A

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I'm still learning, but...

You're NOT supposed to pay for ANYTHING for her until she's gained that "reward" are you?

I mean, doesn't this make her think that she's the dominant one and has already won you over? And what happens with the ball of yarn when it stops moving? The cat gets bored and moves along to the next ball of yarn (the next guy).

In other words: You probably shouldn't pay for anything yet. It's very "AFC" in my book.

I believe I'm right, but lets get some more experienced people in here.

Thanks mr A, that really answered my 3rd question.

could any1 help with my 1st or 2nd question? or add any more to the 3rd. Thankyou guys.

the thing about kissing a girl u dont want her to see it coming this way she'll be able to think about why not to kiss you, just whisper something in her ear and as she laughs or smiles lock in the kiss its a fool proof method!!

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Ye true, but if u put it like go get drinks and popcorn and she does her reward for being a good puppy could be the tix

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Mr.A your help is brilliant. Any advice on 1 or 2?

1.Well the way around your AA about your physical features all lies in Body Language. Walk with your shoulders back and head high always make eye contact and never look down, maybe even look for a few sites on the net about confidence and BL the more you show that your physical features bother you the more she will see them. Walk around like YOU ARE THE MAN and this will rub off on her, her friend and the BF.
At the end of the day persona is everything it doesnt matter what life has brought u in the past live in the now.

2. Act casual man thats all you can do don't seem to keen when u see her play it cool like youve known her for ages say something like hey babe howve u been, give her a hug and that slight kiss i was telling u about and ask her what your watchin in the cinema.

Also if i were u id get her to meet up with you 1st and then u meet up with the friends dont ask her tell her..

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well, after taking ur advice its now a dvd at her house.... this has made it a lot easier I think .

Still any advice people have to offer on my first question i would really appreciate. I honestly think its the biggest things holding me back SPAM and i dont know why it bothers me, because i am naturally confident.

she wont give a shit about it if ur confident and dont show any weakness point out one of her flaws(neg)

No probs man need any other help PM Me

Mr.A,

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I understand what your saying about the AA. However when your using crutches and nearly always lower than the HB.

Its odd though, because looking back i have been fine with the girl... its always the start i find hard along with the transition between phases (opener, some1 you know, date, dating) etc. Dont know why; but when i am in each of the stages I play it out fine (on HB 7+ always) and most of the time it goes fine, yet i still cant get the issue out of my head.

hey my situation isn't even close to yours but i think i can shed some light. I have really bad male pettern baldness for my age (19) my hairline started to recede when i was 13 and it really used to bother me until i shaved my head. one time i was at a party not too long ago and I saw a guy with a deformed arm, he had no forearm and a little deformed hand at the end of his elbow, he was with an HB9 and she could care less, I saw this guy and said to myself you no longer have any excuses. I think what it boils down to is confidence, I think it would be a huge DHV if you could use your disability to your advantage and say I don't give a fuck, it has empowered me, why should you care. Girls will see this and even think more of you. It doesn't sound like you pitty yourself so making the transformation won't be hard. just go out there and have alpha characteristics but sensitive to girls, and buy some nice clothes

Yo dude watch out, you haven't met her in person yet. I think that's the biggest thing. Even though you've talked A WHOLE lot online, it's always completely different in person. Trust me on this, your going to feel very awkward in the beginning so I don't think you should already start kissing her dude... build a little comfort first.

in relation to number 1
i think that if you bring out the personnel that you don't give a shit about (and how you stated) your 'unattractive features, then she won't either.

be cool, confident and charming and everything will be aok

NO NO NO, i cant believe this!?!?!

Firstly, why are you going to the movies?? dont invite her on a date the first time you meet! do something casual, from online sarging, iv even just told a girl to come shopping with me,, just something low key..

If your going to go out with this girl you should invite her to something that you and your friends are going to..or at least somewhere where you can demonstrate social proof.

AND MR. A, if you are in the movies, DO NOT ask her a question, and then when she turns kiss her, WTF??

though the advice about when you first see her, to kiss her on the cheek is good, reason being, that you want to set the tone. establish kino early..

ill post another reply explaining how to defeat you AA once and for all