I learned all the routines and negging and all that stuff but I need an outline on how to proceed from introducing myself to number closing (conversation wise) which I'm confused about

Should I dhv before I qualify then elict her values? neg her during her talking or my part of the talking? how do I know when to start these stages of conversations.

Need PUA help

It is great that you are reading, most people don't read it until awhile. I would say, read magic bullets by savoy and read attraction isn't a choice by david de angelo. Bothe of those books will ultimately put you in a spot where you don't need a routine. You will just be able to invent things on the spot that are just as good as a routine. David De Angelo's stuff really explains it so that you don't need to memorize anything, like any scripts, it allows you to make each approach unique to the situation which is good.

Just to answer your question, You basically
Open
Transition
DHV (Which includes negging)
Elicit her values (now that you are in comfort stage. The point is to not make her think you only want her for her looks.)
Escalate.
And finally.
Close.

That is going for the lay.
Number is similair but after you barely start to elicit her values, get the number and leave.

For a kiss, you just don't escalate all the way.

Good Luck, If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Peace.

On a average what is the time that u spend on getting a #, and how much time do u think an average f close conversation should last.

I know it would be different, but coming from a different country itself, i have no idea on this..and few lucky k and f close with very few mins gives me illusions.

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to answer your question, from my POV

1. number close could take a few minutes.. 3,4.. something like that.. or it could take a few dances.. all depends on the situation

2. kiss close is varied as well.. if you are dancing it could be a few songs... If you are just talking/bar pickup, it takes me about 10min. I get interest, Neg, DHV, neg a little more, Kino, make her laugh more and more... than just go for it. Of course it's kissed me in the ass before... but i have also went to order a drink before, seen a broad at the bar, looked her in the eyes and said, "you look like you want to kiss me"... and it has worked

3. F-close... One night stands are not SO common (at least for me, maybe my game isn't good enough).. I always go for a day 2 and then f-close... sometimes even day 3 and then it's gauranteed..

Good Hunting.

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One thing that changed my sarging forever was one of the Love Systems interview series CDs one of the Love Systems guys I think it was Savoy or Sinn or someone said that getting a phone number is in many ways an admission of failure. It's kind of true. Sometimes you have to fail, like if there is no way she's going home with you for reasons out of your control but it's not a goal in itself, the goal is get to where you want with her emotionally and physically.

If anyone cares, I will try to look and find which CD it's on.