I recently went on a trip to the mall. Me and my wing made some approaches and had some success some failure. During one set that was going really well he kept trying to put me down in front of the girls. saying stuff like "he's stupid" or "he's too short." I did all the work and this is how my friend repays me. I realize he's probably nervous and searching for things to say. He's normally ok, but infront of a girl he is interested in he's a fag to me. Have any of you had similar experiences and how did you respond.

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They call me The Bandit because I've been know to steal a few hearts.

I actually had a friend exactly like yours. Whenever it was just him and me, he'd be cool as hell. However, once there were girls around he'd constantly try to put me down.

I stopped hanging out with him.

Anybody who is willing to put me on the line to make himself look good isn't worth having as a friend. The key foundation of any friendship is loyalty. There are a lot of other qualities that a good friend should have, but loyalty is an absolute requirement. If he's willing to do stuff like that around girls he doesn't even know, then what's he going to do to you when something really drastic happens?

The first rule of being a wing: Your wing is a cool guy. Do not try to "alpha" him out of a set, put him on a lower social tier, or lower his SP.

Any guy who does this is self-conscious. Many people have run into this situation. However, many guys who display this behavior do not realize what they are doing. Explain to your friend that he is not only making you look bad, but he is making himself look bad by lowering his own social proof: if he's hanging out with you, and you're apparently a "loser," then why is he hanging out with losers? You see the logical fallacy of putting down one's wing?

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I think it's a natural AFC thing.

When I'm with my mates, we take the piss out of each other all the time, it's funny, it's not offensive. It's a natural thing to carry that on when you're out and girls are there, but until you get into sarging, you don't realise the damage it does.

I used to put my friends down with girls (jokingly of course), now I always DHV them....just tell your friends what they're doing and tell them how you can help each other get more girls.

I've even picked up a few of my afc friends on it and now they don't DLV me in front of girls...

Yeh. Exactly guys always rip each other , me and my friends do it all the time its just friednly banter but if they dont know about the game or anything they just carry on in front of your set. They wont even realise there doin anything wrong ,they just think there beign funny and having a good time. Explaination is a must ,unfortunatly my friends dont believe in the game and just laugh whenever i talk about it.

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There is Plenty Of Things To Think About.

But Nothing To Worry About.

Theres a fine line between friendly banter and knocking your wingman. You just need to confront your buddy and find out straight up why he does that and what his reasons are...if things dont add up tell him to think of something else to say...playful banter is like knocking someone but the catch is that while you are knocking someone, youre not lowering their status in anyway. an example,

My FULL name consists of 7 (including first and last) names and 49 letters total, I handed my wingman an opportunity to knock me withouth hurting either of us but instead making them more comfortable around us. He had set me during our conversation with HB 7 and 8 to where I was forced to tell my full name and of course I made HB 7 and 8 kinda have to work it out of me (cat string theory). Of course after i told them they both were amazed and right after I had said that my wingman came right around and said "yeah i know...mines so hard to remember too." the girls asked what it was and again we made them have to work for it a little (dont worry their smiles kept on growing brighter.) . his name consisted of 2 names and a total of 8 letters.

See what he did is he knocked me for having a long name but if you look at it...theres no offense if someone has a long name. Its not knocking my ego in anyway whereas if my wingman were to call me stupid or an idiot it would in turn actually knock both of our egos.

Another example is the fact that im from alaska and we got on this subject, well once again i set my friend up to knock me. long story short the comment was "Geez this guy is insane. it'll be 20 degrees out and we're all in jackets, snowpants and what not and he'll (me) come out in shorts and a tank top"

See once again. While it looks like a knock, if you look...what offense is there? that i can stand cold better than most? tell me how offensive is that? ill tell you, its not. So just things like that...think of ways to knock eachother without lowering eachothers social status or demeaning the other.

as far as the game goes, ive only known the game for about 2 weeks but i was rather satisfied...Last night was the first night i put my skills to the test and even these 'knocks/negs' were put to use. Let me tell you, for me, a guy 18 years of age and has had 1 girlfriend in his entire life...I phone closed 3 girls and kissed closed 2 of them. My buddy wasnt as fortunate wth the phone closes but he got more kiss closes. Let me tell you, i know im not the hottest sh!t ever for phone closing because that is in the long run of things, a novice step, however, I was still surprised at both of us how we executed our strategy...well to be honest I had somewhat of a shaky strategy but no material...it was all spontaneous, but it worked. I followed mystery's techniques and they worked like a charm. Im still proud for both of us this being our first time putting it to the test, and succeeding where many have failed. for me, it was a night to remember

I had a friend that was like that I used to bring girls over to his house to party with us.....Now I don't take girls over there and he asked me why one day and I told him exactly how I felt he got a bit better about it after that just because I told him how I felt so maybe you should do the same thing?

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lol see it worked for him...yeah man he may be aware of the fact that hes knocking you in order to try and gain attention but you gotta let him know that by knockin you in front of girls hes knocking himself too...it gives off that vibe like you are too desperate which in turn could creep the girls out or have the lose interest in you...you need to let him know otherwise he'll keep on making the same mistake and not get anywhere with it and at the same time he'll end up bringing you down with him. So I would suggest talkin to him or finding a new wingman or goin solo.

ok? that was long winded still my friends dont believe in the game.

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There is Plenty Of Things To Think About.

But Nothing To Worry About.

It could also come off in 2 other ways:

1.) It could make you look good cos he looks insecure

2.) The girls could think that you guys are both low value as you are choosing to hang with a guy who is dropping you in front of people you have just met.

It all depends on how he was doing this and how the girls percieved it.

I had a moment like that too... usually me and my frnds are cool...

but someday I dont exactly remember when it was quite back, but I had opened a two set and me and the two girls were talkin havin a good time and out of no where one of my frnd jumps in and messed up my game like completely.... by comin in yellin out like a clown and askin those two girls if they wanted to join us and get something to eat...

I was already there... all I needed was one more routine and I would have made them bounce with me... and join me at the restaurant... but that fucker had to come in yellin at me and askin those girls at like top of his voice makin himself look like a complete idiot and lowering down my value....

He sounds like a bad wing, have you told him what he's doing yet and the damage he's causing?

One time I opened this 3 set and while rooting it my wing walked right up and started throwing out random names in my root and got it all fucked up. The girls started calling me out and shit, it was a terrible crash and burn.

He applogized though right after cause he is a good friend.

You should print out a copy of this and give it to all your wings prior to sarging. It's style's wing rules.

Wing rules:

1. Enter when the set is on a high and doing good(on a low, you'll lose them)
2.Entrance line: Hey, were you jsut talking about the _____
3. Pre-prepared accomplishment intro and or story
4. Add false modesty: Don't tell him I told you; he dies like people using him for that.
5.Wing doesn't DHV, but is good natured, positive energy, fun storytelling.
6.Wing aids in isolations and, during isolation, visits only briefly for social proof.
7.Wing does not hit on anyone in set until he's sure who the person who opened the set's target is.
8.Develop finger signaling system(for inerest or for names)
9.Always pay close attention to what your wing says, laugh and draw the group into stories("oh my god, you have to hear this!")


If you need better examples of any of the rules PM me.

call him on his shit right in front of them.. he'll hate it but remember its all abotu respect.. if he wants to play dickhead, you can to. if theirs tension tell him to cool it or you wont sarge.. you gotta be strong man.

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Yes, and I'd punch the chump if he did that to me. The other day I was out in town and I was going to catch the bus. I was with my friend, a very good friend, and I saw too girls and said hi. They like didn't say nothing and I was like, "when someone says hi to you you're supposed to say hi back". That kinda shocked them but my stupid friend chipped in with, "I don't think they're interested in you". That pissed me off no amount. A lesser acquaintance would have received a fistful.

Drop the loser friend of yours and go out sarging with someone who knows the game and is prepared to work with you just like you are with him.

Yeah its totally a maturity thing, your boy might be salvagable if you speak with him about it. He may not realize just how annoying he is being. When I was younger I used to do that shit to my older brother all the time, mainly because I was subconciously trying to qualify myself as being at or above his level. A few years ago we opened a 2 set and I had a really perfect opportunity to embarrass him based on a question they asked and without hesitation I covered for him instead. I conciously saw the opening and willfully ignored it, I didn't see any point to it. Later he mentioned to me that he also noticed it and appreciated it and said I'd definitely grown up as a person. With brothers and all, we had years to get it right but your friend may be fixable.

Cheers mate,
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