I don't know if I am going to get slated, but I just decided to get a girl a couple of months ago, so I started going out in my new local area to see what women we're about. More and more took a liking to me, and now I am at a point where I have too much choice that it is stopping me from making a decision. I keep finding excuses not to choose each one. They are all the hottest girls in the area, two bar maids in the pub for example, most are getting pissed off that I am not choosing them so I am stressed... But I only want one girl for a relationship, and the more that like me the more confused I get...

So, a few weeks ago I went into a small supermarket, and a nice looking girl went into a frenzie and started poking her mate with a pencil to show off when she saw me... So i just ignored her like the rest, I don't like to lead a few on if I am only going to pick one, and I never act interested, but they usually wait for me... So over the weeks the girl in the super market did everything to get me to notice her. I saw her with her mum in ASDA and i heard her tell her mum I was the one she liked etc. And I heard her mates talking about it in her work etc.. Then I noticed some creepy kid watching me every time I came in the small supermarket for weeks, but the girl was not there at the same times i came in for a few weeks... Then I saw her on the till one day, and she saw me and came off the till to go and stand by her boyfriend to make him feel secure about no longer liking me... So the kid looked guilty as fuck every time he saw me, and hoped I would not go near the girl.. I know the creepy kid picked the best time to manipulate a girl, like when she is stressed because she wants someone she thinks she can't have, like me... So he obviously made the stressed, unwanted feeling girl, feel good and wanted... I also read once that if a girl thinks the guy she likes is not interested, her brain lowers its standards in men so she will choose someone else.... Anyway, I heard the boyfriend and his mate call it a "code red" when I come in the shop lol.. The boyfriends work mate is obviously going out with the girls mate by the looks of it, because the girls mate was staring at me and he told her to stop looking... Now, I want this girl I ignored for weeks like I want to win the lottery.. Its the old thing of "you want what you cant have"... But the creepy kid knew she went out with him, because she thought I was not interested... So one day I said thanks Gorgeous when she served me on the till, and I could see the lump in her throat (not an Adam's apple lol)... and she paused... Now when she see's me she makes a point of dissapearing for her boyfriends sake, and it is a fucking "code red" when I come in to the shop, and the creepy boyfriend and his mates watch me like a hawk...

MY PLAN - There was a girl in the same supermarket a year before that used to follow me about and like me, but I was not looking for anyone at the time... So, I was thinking about giving the girl i like a sly letter asking her to try and find the girl from the year before for me, and tell her to give me a call, so the girl I like has my number and she will think some other girl will have me... Also mentioning that I ignored her because a good few other girls like me. Maybe telling her in the letter that she will probably know some of the other girls who like me, so she gets worried I will end up with one of her mates.....I also heared that negative comments can work... I was thinking about telling her in the letter that I was glad we never got together, because I have said no to girls in the past because of who their previous boyfriends are, and none of my girls would date a kid like him.. OR will that make her defensive and pull away.. do I make her feel like the creepy kid manipulated her feelings to get her to give up on me? Saying "nobody takes less than they want unless they are manipulated into taking it" which is usually true..Even flattery can be manipulation...I suppose all flattery is manipulation really!.... SO, Should I avoid saying anything bad about her boyfriend? will making her feel like she got manipulated by the creepy kid make her go on the defensive and dislike me?


So, does anyone think its a good Idea?.. And please don't tell me to just go and shag the other girls who like me, I got my mind made up... I was even thinking about asking one of the other girls in her work out, because a couple of the others try to get my attention and fellow me about, but then I could be stuck with a girl I don't want..... I know this is a pick up forum, and you will wonder what my problem is, but I have never had to learn to chase a girl, I always go with ones that chased me.. So this is a first and I don't know what the fuck to do and its stressing me out..

Anyone, what would you do? What would you write in the letter if you think I should write it at all? I can't think how else to approach her.

I didn't think people still wrote letters in this day and age.

I miss the days of writing letters.

You definitely shouldn't be writing no letters though. You know girls show letters, texts, emails to all their friends, don't you? it is the source of much entertainment to them.

Also common wisdom is you don't put the bfriends down as this puts her on the defensive. Your basically telling her she's got no taste. Some people might suggest telling them what a great couple they make and how you can envisage them with kids in the hope of creating a panic in her.

If you're as hot as you say though, save yourself the hassle and go after some other punane. You yourself know you only want her cos you cant have her. why put yourself through this?

You're too invested in this woman. Focus on seducing and dating other women and you will stop caring what she does or doesn't do.

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I'm not going to help because I think you seem a bit like a douchebag. I also have my own moralset when it comes to girls, I only fuck girls who are relationships if the guy is a dickhead which is the big reason for not helping you but I just wanted to correct some of your thinking.
Yeah...girls don't do this, the majority of girls will still talk to you because they will either

A) be secure that her boyfriend won't care.
B) want to make her boyfriend jealous and thus get more attention off him.
Yet again girls don't do this. If a girl starts getting compliments from a guy for no reason then she will continue talking to that guy because she wants/likes the attention and compliments.

Also its a supermarket, I worked in a supermarket for 3 years. Shop floor and Till staff get the shit ripped out of them by management, they are the busiest of the whole store and are like slaves. Disappearing off a till is highly unlikely as most of the girls at the supermarket I worked at had to sit there for several hours without breaks so yeah, don't read into that shit.
Do it when your in an LTR man, its the fucking bomb:

I acted for a month before valentines day that I wasn't going to get her anything as Im a skint student blahdeblahblah and all this stuff. She believed it and told me she was gonna be upset and not to talk to me on the day. Anyway I basically got hold of one of those old fashioned parchment things, wrote out a long letter using proper ink and such and sealed it with a wax stamp then put it in a tube and filled it with roses. Sent it to her house for V day.

V day she turns up at my house wearing a massive coat, underneath some of the best fuckin lingerie i've ever seen, had a whole day of anything I wanted. Girl could barely walk.

Sounds like oneitis. You should probably just try and hook up with other girls. This girls got you acting all crazy.

Yeah...girls don't do this, the majority of girls will still talk to you because they will either

A) be secure that her boyfriend won't care.
B) want to make her boyfriend jealous and thus get more attention off him.
Yet again girls don't do this. If a girl starts getting compliments from a guy for no reason then she will continue talking to that guy because she wants/likes the attention and compliments.

Also its a supermarket, I worked in a supermarket for 3 years. Shop floor and Till staff get the shit ripped out of them by management, they are the busiest of the whole store and are like slaves. Disappearing off a till is highly unlikely as most of the girls at the supermarket I worked at had to sit there for several hours without breaks so yeah, don't read into that shit.


No, this is a small bargain supermarket and the girls go between stacking shelves and go an the till whenever they want, literally... She 100% left the till when she saw me, and just stood next to her insecure boyfriend...

Also, her boyfriend is so insecure, that it is called a code red when I come into the shop, and he watches me with his mates like a hawk. Also, he must have convinced her for weeks, because for weeks I noticed some creepy kid just watching me, then after they got together, his body language turned guilty and desperate. So i know he worked on her for weeks. So she will do anything to make him feel secure, because proving loyalty makes her new relationship high stronger. He could tell her he is jack the ripper and she will still be loyal at this time.... It's one of those "you have to be there" kind of things. I know body language and I pretty much got the whole picture.

Just the fact I know she is only with him because I lowered her confidence, so she is with him because of me. Women have natural filters for who they think they can have. They will never take less than they think they can have under normal circumstances... If a girl is ready for a relationship, her brain produces chemicles ready to put affection onto someone and hopes they will con-sieve a child... When the girl thinks she cannot have that someone she wants, the brain naturally lowers the girls attraction filters, and her standards go down so she will get with someone she would not normally find attractive, so she can use those chemicles that naturally want her to con-sieve a child... So I built the chemical reaction in her, and he is having a good time off my back... The chemicles give the new relationship high, which is there to protect the relationship, as the body will fight to stay on this high, making her prove loyalty and forgive him for anything, and the body hopes the girl will get pregnant in this time and will only see the man in a good light so she will stay with him until they con-sieve a child. that's why they say love is blind, and a women will even stay with a serial killer at this time and act like they never knew. Then when the chemicles wear off after a few months and the honeymoon period is over, and she has not got pregnant, her attraction filters go back to normal, and she looses that high with her body hoping she will find someone else to do the job and make her con-sieve. that's why rebound relationship's rarely last, because the girl finds she is no longer attracted to him when the chemicles wear off, because he was not the man she fell for, and often not the best she can do, and not the man who built those chemicles. Then she looses that high, with the body hoping the girl will find another man who will get her pregnant.. But in modern time's people stay together after this time if they got together under normal circumstances. Which she and this boy did not...

One of my X girls Andrea when I lived in Amsterdam, got with someone not in her legue, a guy called Stuart. Before Stuart came along, Andrea really liked me apparently, and this Stuart worked on her before she got to tell me how she feels. Stuart made Andrea stay away from me for months... They we're together for a few months, and Andrea said it almost happened almost over night, she felt she really liked him one day, and the next day she could hardily look at him. A few weeks later Stuart felt relaxed and we all went out to a club. I kissed Andrea's friend, and Andrea went crazy and pulled her friend off me by the hair and slapped her silly in front of her boyfriend Stuart. Stuart looked to the ground, he knew the score, and the kind of people I knew, and he ran as fast as his legs would take him... Me and Andrea had the best relationship until I had to come home after the work dried up...If you want a good relationship, always go for a girl in your league because she will naturally want more one day whether she likes it or not.

So, for the sake of pick up artists, if a girl wants someone she thinks she cant have, she will get stressed and inpatient to use those chemicles. Then you make the stressed girl feel good, and it does not matter what you look like, her body will lower her standards and you will get the girl. This is why most men get girls out of their league, because she was emotional and her natural defenses are down...

Learing body chemistry, and how it works is a great way to manipulate women so their own body's work against them, if you so wish it... I learned if for other reasons.

So I guess I will have to either wait for the girl I like's honeymoon period to end, or get another girl.... I still want to write a sneaky letter so she will have my number and get those wheels in her mind turning.... Just don't know how to play the letter, her defenses are up and she will need to prove loyalty to her boy, and her boy is protected by a chemical reaction process that I built in her in the first place. Damn, that's irony! I stopped myself getting the girl I want now, weeks ago without realizing it.

How do I play the letter? Do i make out I am happy they are together and I don't like her. Say I did not show her interest in the first place because I could not make up my mind who I like out of a few girls that like me? and say I want her to find a girl from the past who liked me?.. Does hypnotic language really work?

My ex-girlfriend worked in a small supermarket. An "express" store as some will call it. Girls check out customers all the time. My ex did and I didn't give a shit. Are you that "up your arse" that you think your the only one these girls are checking out? the entire time? at a store where customers are coming in and out constantly?

Get out your ass man.
urgh, not this age old argument. You *think* you know body language but as long as she is spending more time with her boyfriend then you then all you know is that he is definitely pounding her pussy in as much as possible compared to you who *thinks* her body language is telling you she's into you...because she goes near her boyfriend when your around...oh what a downfall for her boyfriend! he must hate pounding that pussy when he gets home.
Don't state something so idiotic. Girls have a constant supply of compliments and such mainly because they have tits. Women and Men have natural "Oh that person is out of my league" filters but these get disproven all the time and as you grow up you realize its complete bullshit and that any guy can get with any girl with the right "inner game", confidence and "charm."
Despite what Stuart or Andrea told you, Andrea made the conscious decision to stay away from you even if Stuart told her to. A girl will keep in contact, meet you and such if she wants to. All from what you've said there is "Stuart meant more to Andrea then I did." which was obviously true.
annnnnd now this story is officially bullshit, how old were you at this age? how old are you now?
What? go for a girl in your league...right

1) That is boring
2) That is predictable.
3) That is eays
4) Won't make a strong relationship as you both "know" that the other could have the other at any given time. One of the whole exciting things about PUA/relationships is proving to other partner weather is be subliminal or non-subliminal that you are more then a match for their brain and their body. Its why 9/10 with no brain who think they're all that will fuck 6/10 guys because the guys have bested them mentally and will continue to go back to them if those guys can fuck the shit out of them.

I currently weigh 12 stone, fairly toned and such so I would put myself at a 8/10 but back when I was 17 I was a fat fuck weighing in at 19 stone. At the peak of my fatness I fucked a girl who would get a 9/10 these days. She's been my fittest fuck to date, incredible girl. Attractiveness and such is such a small unimportant part when it comes to girls choosing guys. Guys find attractiveness a much more linear process then girls do.
Correcting: If a girl wants someone she thinks she can't get she will chase that guy like a muthafucka and try to prove to him how sexy/hot she is no matter what.
Correction:

The guy that the girl wants that she thinks she can't get = Horny for the guy that she thinks doesn't want her and chases him

The guy that makes her feel good = FRIENDZONED.
So either way the boyfriend will still be banging her pussy on a regular basis. *phew* good plan, he'll fucking hate that. Why don't you get all the "people you know" to "sort him out" then her panties will be round her ankles in no time!!!
*sigh* please read that back to yourself and realize how goddamn ridiculous it sounds.

1) Do not write a letter, letters shout out "I AM WEIRD AND CREEPY" UNLESS that girl in emotionally invested in you.
2) You state you are like the walking meziah when you walk into this supermarket...yet you cockblocked yourself...smooth.
3) There is no "chemical reaction process" that will make her want to stay loyal to her boyfriend. Girls don't think this way. More attention from other guys = boyfriend gets jealous = girlfriend feels validated PURELY because her boyfriend got jealous = better then a fucking orgasm to a girl.
These are all terrible, terrible ideas. One of the reasons I just don't believe some of the things your telling us and that you've stated this girl is "average" is because your coming out with horrible PUA tactics.

Okay, so they call it a code red when all these "other" guys come in to the supermarket? Also, this one girl goes into a frenzy when she saw all these other guys, and her mates talk about her liking all these other guys loud enough for them to hear? And she told her mum about all these other guys she wants to go out with in ASDA... Damn, maybe you are right! A code red is a general term for all guys.
Ill definitely give you that one. Its my fault, and I know it.
Its only what I read by EXPERTS. But this was years ago, but that's how I remember reading it.

annnnnd now this story is officially bullshit, how old were you at this age? how old are you now? Yes, i was over exaggerating about him running away, they did talk first, but she told him to fuck off, and he left Amsterdam... I was smuggling shit across boarders for dodgy Russians in Biersbronn in the black Forrest. I was earning more money than I could spend when I was 19, and you don't do that if you don't know a dodgy person or two. He left because he knew what was good for him... Just thinking of him makes me want to hunt him down now...
I hear so many people just reading through posts on here saying guys deserve to loose their girlfriend because she is out of his league. Human nature is not to take less than you could have. So your girl will ALWAYS want more if she can get it... It does not make it right, or fair, but that's life. Why would you want a girl if you have to constantly worry about her and watch the kind of guy you know she wants, because you would not watch him otherwise. Its not fair on the girl having an insecure boyfriend. I don't go for Angelina Jolie because she is out of my league for financial reasons, I live with that fact and go for girls in my league... Look at Jordan, she went with that kid she met at a show, and she was with peter Aundrey a few months later. If that kid did not see it coming, then I don't know what to say.
I agree about the letter, and thanks, you have made up my mind, there will be no letter. I appreciate you talking me around.

A girl who made it clear that she wanted a guy for weeks to everyone, and then another boy she liked less and 99.9% told him no at first, talks her around and is so insecure about it, he gets his mates to watch me when it turn up, and you think she is going to let me flirt with her? I'm sure she will really get off on making her boyfriend think he is going to loose her to the guy she really wanted? Yes, i agree under normal circumstances, but I know what I see. 100% If she plays those kind of games with him, I would not even want her.

So, not chemical process? EVERYTHING WE DO IS A CHEMICAL PROCESS! Me writing this post is a chemical process, you reading it and thinking about a smart reply is a chemical process.
But girls have this mystical force that drives them to do what they do... Okay mate.
Girls don't think that way? If girls did not show loyalty, we would all be in trouble. There is a reason for everything we do as far as sex and relationships. Why would we have a honeymoon period where you think the person you are with is god for months, then suddenly they are just who they are.. There must be a reason the body does this. . If you have a better explanation than protecting the relationship! So if it not to make the girl stay with a man so she will conceive, when a girls whole purpose for existing is to find a mate and con sieve a child, then I would like to hear why we have a honeymoon period where we are on a high for months?.. That mystical force is awfully good to us giving us that high. Maybe its there so girls will buy more shoes and wear more make up, to impress them man she is with.

How many women are in prison because the backed up their serial killed boyfriend. Or broke a man they just met out of prison. These are normal women! Then they go to prison, and they are separated, the chemical high dissapears, and she cant believe she even liked the creep. And she is doing life in prison for him..

Sorry there is no soul, or mystical process, there is chemical, and electrical processes making us do EVERYTHING WE DO... Or are the top minds in this world wrong?

I have an IQ higher than most people, not genius, but big enough to be sure that I know a thing or two about a thing or two... One thing I DON'T know, is how to win women over if they have pulled away, so that's why I am here... I don't bullshit people for the hell of it, if you bullshit people you are asking help from, they will never be able to help you... You tell a doctor that you have a bad arm, when you really have a bad leg, you are going to have a bad leg for a good while yet.

I do appreciate the you commenting though, and you talked me out of making a mistake with the letter. I am going to forget about the girl and go for one of the others... If you don't want something the first time you see it, then you never really wanted it!

You seem to have misunderstood my post entirely. FIrst of all I never mentioned a "mystical force" nor did I elaborate on such a thing. Please don't make things up when quoting my posts.
Where did I mention this "mystical force"?
Who mentioned a mystical force? There are many many many different reasons why the honeymoon period can end. You also didn't fully grasp what I meant. Yes Chemical Reactions are what makes everyday life possible. However if you sat 5 people in a room and sent some fireworks off each person would display a different reaction because the chemical reactions are processed differently within each persons body as everyone is different.
No they aren't.
Yet again, this is one instance. Also I imagine the realisation that "oh shit, I'm in prison" is alot bigger then "i dont like him anymore." Some people need the kick up the arse to realise who they are with is wrong for their life. Yet again, please provide an explanation for couples that stay together even in prison? as I stated it is because everyones "chemical reactions" are different.
1) I didn't bring up the soul...you did.
2) I didn't bring up this "mystical process."
3) I never stated anything about the top minds of this world...you did.
4) The "top minds" of this world can still be proved wrong. "Science is not fact, it is the best opinion" all of science is just opinions that are tested and "proved" but they are still opinions. This is why scientists theories get disproven all the time or reproven.
You couldn't spell "Chemical" correctly earlier mate.
The last sentence is good.

only an idiot would write something like this.

I'm sure this is very relevant 4 years later.

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