I've went out for drinks once with this girl... we went out for drinks and besides the obvious little nerves it went pretty well after about 20 minutes. We were together for about 3 hours on a weekday...picked up the drink tab and got a text from her the next day thanking for the drinks and saying she had a great time..
(this was last tuesday)

Text her friday that week, nothing too crazy... and I decide to call her Sunday to make plans again. She doesnt answer and texts me 4-5 hours later she was doing shit with her family all day (lie or not whatever) i say thats cool, was seeing how your weekend went and tried to make plans with her this week. She acknowledges and says she is free Thursday...

I dont talk to her all week and text her yesterday, basically to keep my foot in the door and imply im still interested in going out tomorrow (which is now today)

I text her today at 11am Eastern (its not 2:41pm) "What times good for you later?" and still yet to get a response. I know shes at work so i dont expect a text 10 minutes later, but i feel almost 4 hours is a bit ridiculous. I would rather get a text from her saying her aunts cat is in town and has to cancel than just be completely flaked on. I'm putting a little more pressure on this case (rookie play) but I wanted to see her again. White towel?

When she replied on Sunday that Thursday would be good for her, did you confirm that it was good for you too on the same day? Or are you just getting around to it today?

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Yeah i did, replied sunday Thursday works.

Cancel on her. Tell her that you weren't sure if she was planning on responding or not but something else came up and you can't make it. Don't explain the reason why. DO NOT contact her again after today unless she contacts you and don't count her as confirming your cancellation as contacting you.

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I was literally about to do that....

She just texted me "Sorry i didnt mean to not respond!! Its been a crazy day!"
"Does 7 work for you?"

I'm yet to respond, do I still cancel on her?

Since she responded...go and meet up.

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Good thing you didn't follow Jack's advice!

The correct response in a scenario like this is to do nothing. But since she came back at you with a "does 7 work for you?" agree to it, and meet her.
Stop calling so early with women. Younger, socially valuable women mostly text early on. There are guys who advocate only calling, but they're pulling 35-45 year old cougars mostly and don't understand the modern game.
She texted you she's down for thursday, and then you immediately set a clear, firm place and time. Always.

Holy shit my friend, you have a lot to learn about early courtship.

Four hours is fucking nothing for anyone who actually has a life beyond getting stoned and playing video games. A day is nothing. You must learn to be patient with women. This entire post comes from your impatience. Learn to be patient. and by that I mean it can take weeks, or months, for a woman to come back around to you.

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If you have a scarcity mindset, it is good that he didn't follow my advice. If he cancelled and she was interested she would have contacted him again because she knows it was her that was being unresponsive and he wasn't the type of guy that would wait around for her to get back to him. If she wasn't really interested in a second date, the OP wouldn't be chasing her around.

I can't give the type of advice that teaches guys to be passive and at someone else's whim. If that's what you believe in, then more power to you.

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Dude. It was four hours.

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To you that's acceptable when it comes to confirming plans. I see it differently. I can get with another attractive, socially valuable woman in her twenties that will show up in a few hours notice. It's something that socially valuable males can do. You won't be treated like a socially valuable male unless you act like one.

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Have no idea who advocates ONLY calling lol. Ever think maybe since you're in 40's dating early 20's chicks the dynamic is different for you? Because Ive been calling chicks since I was 16...never had a chick not prefer a call. You seem to go off of women who complain when a guy does XY or Z...thats just chicks not interested in a guy...when you go out with a chick she should like you, she shouldnt be complaining about you. If those are your dynamics when meeting women, in person "game" is probably the problem. No modern game here...We could skip ahead 50 years...if a chick likes you she'll prefer your voice over words on a screen.

Some people do.

Early on, texting is preferred in my experience. After exclusivity it doesn't matter much.
Yes, I'm in my 40's and only date really attractive 20-somethings. It's because I can, lol. And because I apply the advice I give to myself, and take care of my body (two hours in the gym every other day, low carbs). I'm in a semi-open relationship with an amazing girl, who also happens to like girls, and brings them home on occasion thanks to our incredibly honest and open communication (which is also part of my advice). I have an incredibly satisfying social life.

But mostly, what I'm saying is for guys who don't understand modern game-guys who call a girl's phone while she's at work, guys who leave awkward voice mails, guys who have nervous, non-confident voices, guys who double text and then call, etc. These are behaviors that can turn socially valuable women off. These are women (9's and 10's) that have a plethora of options and a high level of abundance mentality thanks to a lifetime of ass-kissers and various social media apps. If you act like a creeper, or awkward...you're gone.

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Arch, you have said in the past that you are 10% nice and 90% dick with women and that 9's and 10's love it. This is the part that you forget to put in with your advice but at the same time it plays into why you experience what you do. Honestly, 90% dick = unlikeable person. At the same time you like to talk about being attractive through fitness/diet which is your strength. All of that works together and it fits the narrative that you talk about when it comes to yourself. You can't call and have a phone conversation if you are a dick because conversationally you're unlikable and that would turn a woman off if she couldn't see you visually. Girls like you because of physical attraction...basically, a fuckboy. It's safe having sex with a fuckboy because there are no feelings involved especially if the fuckboy is a dick. You have to hope that the girl sees your 10% nice guy and think that you're worth it for her to continue on with you.

You do get it right? This is the description that you give but like I've said so many times in the past is that if you do get girls like you say, you don't understand why. I don't mean that as an insult. I don't say it to belittle your "technique". It's just when you give guys advice, it's mostly incomplete advice or it's advice that will not match the man's personality. You should be saying "keep in mind that I'm 90% dick and this will work if you are 90% dick too."

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Who? Please cite ONE forum member or even "guru" who preaches to ONLY call girls. No one advocates that. You dont need to use these straw men to argue against. You dont need to use a non existent bad strategy to make your strategy look better.
Whats the purpose of this? I said maybe YOUR dynamics of how you MEET women are different. Have no idea what that has to do with your current relationship. YOU speak about women complaining of guys doing this and that, laughing at losers...I'm saying if a chick is going to her friends laughing at your actions then she doesn't like you in the first place. You said calling is different when in a relationship...so why are you bringing your relationship into it? Lol, come on Arch how are you say the rules are different for exclusivity and then bring in your exclusivity?
I seriously wonder who you believe your advice is to. It always sounds like these almost creeper guys who somehow have chances with "9's and 10's". Lol. Like I think how are these guys that stupid and awkward that they'd call a woman during working hours, yet somehow have a chance with these women? Calling at work, leaving awkward voicemails....thats just common sense, and you do a disservice to someone when you say "dont call" because of "you can call but dont be stupid." At any phase of dating a guy can do some stupid shit. I wont tell a guy not to go for a kiss because he may be a bad kisser or may do it at the wrong time or may do it nervously. I'd tell him go for it, watch out for these common mistakes.

As Jack said, you give advice to guys assuming they're you, but also assuming they're a creeper. Like do all this "alpha" shit, but since you cant call a chick and have common sense don't do this or that. If they're not emotionally centered enough to call a woman and not come of awkward, why then tell them to do asshole shit in person or over text when they could come off awkward as well? I won't tell a guy to be bold and grab a chick on a date for this kiss...but calling? Nah...THAT could be done awkwardly. Doesnt make sense.

This is a good discussion about how calling early in courtship makes you look like a dinosaur in modern game:

call-vs-text-vt42304.html


Guy who advocates only calling early on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLlKnXx1p2c

lol, I'm not even sure what you're saying here. It just reads as a long ramble to try and fight a battle where one doesn't exist.

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