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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2017 5:00 am 
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I want to talk about making friends. I don't know how to treat my guy friends. I'm a musician and in a band with a lead singer. The music we're making is amazing. Sometimes though - I've noticed there can be friction with me between people. I tend to make jokes about people a lot and kind of give people commands and be dominate. Which I learned from Pua but use them with the wrong people. With lead singers - that can go bad. I've never really leaned how to make friends. I had a terrible disease at 15 and it took 5-6 years out of my life. I also grew up in an abusive household - and suffer from PTSD from it. So the part of my life where I'd make fiends was not there. And I'm catching up at the age of of my mid-twenties. I've learned to treat men and women differently. With a women, I don't flatter her with compliments - I'll tease her and challenge her. I see if she's worth my time. And I realized guys hate that. They don't want to be challenged, lack of compliments could mean I'm being a jerk. I don't know how to make guy friends. I end up making jokes/fun at them and feeling insecure and jealous (sorta) in their presence. At the same time wanting them to like me. And qualifing myself - which is... bad?

I'm very stand-offish. I kind of have a chip on my shoulder and I'm kinda silent and OVERLY logical. Let me say that again, OVERLY LOGICAL.

I've learned in social situations one person will eventually dominate the other person. And for me, for someone to have power over me or make me feel like a beta male - is very uncomfortable and can make me angry. I kind of have this complex as wanting people to like me so I'll say good things about myself which sounds like bragging and I can be very uncomfortable in my body and feel insecure. And I can say that because I'm learning to be more open.

Also, the guys all take turns mocking me, making fun me, cursing me, not listening to my opinions, talking over me, the lead singer called me a part that relates to a woman's reproductive organ. So they're kind of all like trying to dominate me by making me appear as some beta-male. In reality - I'm like a really loving person, truly loving but no one sees that side of me cause I see it as weakness. I'm also a good leader but they dispose my leadership. When you give people too much praise they than see you as someone that gave up all your value. I've lost mine and am seen as an outcast. And push my buttons by calling me gay slurs, mind games - it all makes me reactive. It's a hard position to be in especially in a continuing creative environment.

AND VERY IMPORTANT: please comment on this. I feel my first impression was bad so it's just stood like that. I don't believe that people can like you once you've made a bad first impression. That memory of you will just stay in their head. And you'll always be like that. True?

Please tell me what you all think I really would enjoy to hear a lot of opinions. Go!


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2017 5:46 pm 
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Here, then, is a bag in which to keep thy fucks. Be thankful that it is indeed empty.

YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING A FUCK ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:43 am 
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Here, then, is a bag in which to keep thy fucks. Be thankful that it is indeed empty.

YOU NEED TO STOP GIVING A FUCK ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE THINK
So say someone mocks me and makes fun of me, e,g, "Hey John you're a fag." My response? It seems if I try a witty comeback it just causes more strife.


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OP are these your friends or your colleagues?

Guys bust on each other, that's how they bond. If my close friends call me a fag I'll offer to suck their dick. We don't mind because it's all in good fun and the intentions are playful, not derogatory.

You need to be able to figure that one out. They can be straight up trashing you, or you can be the overly stuck up type that takes life too seriously. We can't know.

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I want to talk about making friends. I don't know how to treat my guy friends. I'm a musician and in a band with a lead singer. The music we're making is amazing. Sometimes though - I've noticed there can be friction with me between people. I tend to make jokes about people a lot and kind of give people commands and be dominate. Which I learned from Pua but use them with the wrong people. With lead singers - that can go bad. I've never really leaned how to make friends. I had a terrible disease at 15 and it took 5-6 years out of my life. I also grew up in an abusive household - and suffer from PTSD from it. So the part of my life where I'd make fiends was not there. And I'm catching up at the age of of my mid-twenties. I've learned to treat men and women differently. With a women, I don't flatter her with compliments - I'll tease her and challenge her. I see if she's worth my time. And I realized guys hate that. They don't want to be challenged, lack of compliments could mean I'm being a jerk. I don't know how to make guy friends. I end up making jokes/fun at them and feeling insecure and jealous (sorta) in their presence. At the same time wanting them to like me. And qualifing myself - which is... bad?

I'm very stand-offish. I kind of have a chip on my shoulder and I'm kinda silent and OVERLY logical. Let me say that again, OVERLY LOGICAL.

I've learned in social situations one person will eventually dominate the other person. And for me, for someone to have power over me or make me feel like a beta male - is very uncomfortable and can make me angry. I kind of have this complex as wanting people to like me so I'll say good things about myself which sounds like bragging and I can be very uncomfortable in my body and feel insecure. And I can say that because I'm learning to be more open.

Also, the guys all take turns mocking me, making fun me, cursing me, not listening to my opinions, talking over me, the lead singer called me a part that relates to a woman's reproductive organ. So they're kind of all like trying to dominate me by making me appear as some beta-male. In reality - I'm like a really loving person, truly loving but no one sees that side of me cause I see it as weakness. I'm also a good leader but they dispose my leadership. When you give people too much praise they than see you as someone that gave up all your value. I've lost mine and am seen as an outcast. And push my buttons by calling me gay slurs, mind games - it all makes me reactive. It's a hard position to be in especially in a continuing creative environment.

AND VERY IMPORTANT: please comment on this. I feel my first impression was bad so it's just stood like that. I don't believe that people can like you once you've made a bad first impression. That memory of you will just stay in their head. And you'll always be like that. True?

Please tell me what you all think I really would enjoy to hear a lot of opinions. Go!
lmao, dude! Stop whining about this shit. So, some dude called you gay slurs, don't listen to your opinion, and dis respects you. You don't come here crying about it. You fight back. It's guy code that if your friends tease you, you tease back. If not, it'll be weird.

With girls, the ability to tease/challenge, make a joke, and lead is an alpha, masculine, and attractive quality.

With men, challenging is invading territory. Every men is responsible to provide a safe environment. An alpha challenge is an intrusion. Alphas don't intrude, they dominate. They dominate by attracting people to their environment, by being fun, and they put people on their side, making it look easy. Then, they don't have to intrude, because everything is theirs and people are gladly, willing to subdue.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2017 10:31 am 
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I want to talk about making friends. I don't know how to treat my guy friends. I'm a musician and in a band with a lead singer. The music we're making is amazing. Sometimes though - I've noticed there can be friction with me between people. I tend to make jokes about people a lot and kind of give people commands and be dominate. Which I learned from Pua but use them with the wrong people. With lead singers - that can go bad. I've never really leaned how to make friends. I had a terrible disease at 15 and it took 5-6 years out of my life. I also grew up in an abusive household - and suffer from PTSD from it. So the part of my life where I'd make fiends was not there. And I'm catching up at the age of of my mid-twenties. I've learned to treat men and women differently. With a women, I don't flatter her with compliments - I'll tease her and challenge her. I see if she's worth my time. And I realized guys hate that. They don't want to be challenged, lack of compliments could mean I'm being a jerk. I don't know how to make guy friends. I end up making jokes/fun at them and feeling insecure and jealous (sorta) in their presence. At the same time wanting them to like me. And qualifing myself - which is... bad?

I'm very stand-offish. I kind of have a chip on my shoulder and I'm kinda silent and OVERLY logical. Let me say that again, OVERLY LOGICAL.

I've learned in social situations one person will eventually dominate the other person. And for me, for someone to have power over me or make me feel like a beta male - is very uncomfortable and can make me angry. I kind of have this complex as wanting people to like me so I'll say good things about myself which sounds like bragging and I can be very uncomfortable in my body and feel insecure. And I can say that because I'm learning to be more open.

Also, the guys all take turns mocking me, making fun me, cursing me, not listening to my opinions, talking over me, the lead singer called me a part that relates to a woman's reproductive organ. So they're kind of all like trying to dominate me by making me appear as some beta-male. In reality - I'm like a really loving person, truly loving but no one sees that side of me cause I see it as weakness. I'm also a good leader but they dispose my leadership. When you give people too much praise they than see you as someone that gave up all your value. I've lost mine and am seen as an outcast. And push my buttons by calling me gay slurs, mind games - it all makes me reactive. It's a hard position to be in especially in a continuing creative environment.

AND VERY IMPORTANT: please comment on this. I feel my first impression was bad so it's just stood like that. I don't believe that people can like you once you've made a bad first impression. That memory of you will just stay in their head. And you'll always be like that. True?

Please tell me what you all think I really would enjoy to hear a lot of opinions. Go!
lmao, dude! Stop whining about this shit. So, some dude called you gay slurs, don't listen to your opinion, and dis respects you. You don't come here crying about it. You fight back. It's guy code that if your friends tease you, you tease back. If not, it'll be weird.

With girls, the ability to tease/challenge, make a joke, and lead is an alpha, masculine, and attractive quality.

With men, challenging is invading territory. Every men is responsible to provide a safe environment. An alpha challenge is an intrusion. Alphas don't intrude, they dominate. They dominate by attracting people to their environment, by being fun, and they put people on their side, making it look easy. Then, they don't have to intrude, because everything is theirs and people are gladly, willing to subdue.

Thanks man, it's just I don't want it to turn into a fight. Lead singers are ego maniacs at times. The whole room I'd actually making gun of me, 2 brothers and lead singers. So I can ignore it or throw it back st them but my insults are kinda offensive in a way.

But I agree with RC I do take stuff too serious. I'm kinda a stiff. And he feels he has to challenge me. So I've told my brothers to at least have my back and they don't do it. What am I suppose to do?

P.S. my frame needs work I do t feel as confident and I can get insecure. I become more irritated if someone mocks me then logically challenge them. Would a better mindset be to be the most relaxed guy in the room? How does an Alpha make behave?

If you know a link to a good post/article I'd be happy to read it


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Why does everyone on an internet forum now feel the need to talk about their abusive upbringing? If it's that fucking bad go see a therapist.

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Read How to Influence People and Win Friends by Dale Carnegie

It helped me out a lot. I never had the same issue as you, but this book really is the key to getting along with others.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:11 am 
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Great book choice! I read a bit of it and it the part about not criticizing people really opened my eyes. It's something I have to read more.

I mean, in general - what are you suppose to do when you're getting mocked by your own family and a lead singer that you're suppose to work with? How do you respond?

Lately my mentality has been not to start anything and be the most laid back guy in the room. And be so fun and positive that people can't help but be nice.


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Op if it bothers u so much quit the band and hang out with like minded people.


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Op if it bothers u so much quit the band and hang out with like minded people.


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