Men are the same way and they are more susceptible to a woman that makes them feel emotion. Not a good argument to women being emotional.I'm discovering that a lot of guys that have success with women usually don't know what they're talking about when it comes to understanding women. This is especially applicable to the guys that say attractive women are somehow different. Attractive women want the same things that any other woman wants.

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Yeah, most women are attracted to a confident guy...has nothing to do with being a bad boy or a nice guy. And most women dont get hooked on bad emotions and drama. Some do, but thats a small group of women who seek out abusive relationships and bad boys. Most people, men or women, just want the same thing, someone they're physically attracted to, someone they connect with and someone they enjoy being around. You're talking about things that apply to a small group of women and men, and applying them to most women.

I could repeat exactly what you're saying (despite it being incorrect) and you would still disagree with me. It's like wrestling a pig - you realize the pig enjoys it. I'm here to help others - not stroke someone's ego and argue just for the sake of it. Best of luck.

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I told you I get it...If you have 3 people disagreeing with you, maybe think on whether you're correct or need to explain better. See how jack talked abt human nature, but didnt go left field with it? A few years ago I would have agreed with you. But through life and experiences, I learned that people's choices, man or woman, are not as illogical as I taught and there's more to it than broad statements. A good thing abt a forum like this, is you hear other's points of view on women, and can assess your conclusions better. I cant connect your reasoning on this matter because its vague and exaggerated. From my first question, your response was not to explain. As I said, I get it...you can answer questions when someone doesn't question them. You guys need to stop seeing arguments from someone disagreeing with you. Its a FORUM. If you cant discuss your conclusions, get a blog and close the comment section.

Sure you can repeat what anyone says, but the problem is that you are saying things that are psychologically incorrect. I'm not telling you anything that only comes from a belief system. You can actually get references from people that have letters behind their name for what I'm telling you.

You can be here to help others, but it's good to actually know what you're talking about and be willing to learn yourself. I've been in pickup before most of the guys here realized girls really didn't have cooties and I still manage to get better perspectives every once in a while. On the other hand I'm watching guys call themselves coaches that give unbelievably bad advice and they can't get below the surface level of their methods when questions are directed at them. It shows a lack of real understanding.

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I would assert that Karlb's painting a rather mysoginistic (and inaccurate) view of women as being lead sheerly by emotion and beyond that having masochistic tendencies (e.g. having such strong emotional hooks in spite of better judgment). Sure, that may apply to a minority of women with low self-image (incidentally I suggest these are the women most likely to get into abusive relationships), but it's more the exception than the rule. Lot of conjecture and an opinion likely based on anecdote, I find no merit in it.

I agree with Jack that men would be equally susceptible to "emotional hooks", albeit men who struggle with impulse control issues and insecure attachment patterns. The difference is men have been acculturated to distance themselves from their emotions, and even worse to disavow themselves from them. This doesn't mean men don't experience them, it only means (generally speaking) that they are less in touch with them than most women. Men are taught to be heady (get caught-up in their minds and think through things), women, on the other hand, are taught to be more feeling-oriented. There may also be gender differences that go beyond learned behavior/socialization (e.g. hardwired difference) which may influence these propensities. Again, I am generalizing as there are some men who are quite in-touch with their feeling states, and there are also women who are more 'in-their-head'.