Heys i am new here , wad is the first step i should learn and how should i proceed to mastering the game? Any kind souls could advise me how should i start. Hahz. Seriously i have no clue as to when i should use a neg or wad exactly is a neg and how to identify IOI...

To find the answers you seek I highly recommend reading the Venusian Arts Handbook that is available through most services to download such as: LimeWire, or BitTorrent. This or Mystery's :Mystery Method: How to get beautiful women in bed. That book runs about $20 on Amazon.com.

The reason I suggest these books is they will explain neg theory, when and what stages to neg. What the major IOIs are and when to look for them. It'll outline it for you so you have a roadmap in your head of the interaction from Opening to SEX.

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Hey bro, I'm in the same boat. A lot of this PUA stuff seems counter-intuitive to me. Probably due to the indoctrination that I’ve been put through by society.

I'm trying to chat up everyone and their mother the last three days when. Just trying to work on confidence, tone, and posture.

Hmms thanks ya for de advice. Will get the book and read up on it.

Ya its like a totally new world to me. thanks bros

Have you read The Game by Neil Strauss?

Ya i read it lols. Realli inspired me. makes me wana improve on my confidence and the ability to commune well with girls. hes like godly !

I read the mystery method, how to get beautiful women in the bed (paperback). I hav'nt read the venusian arts handbook, but i hear they'll pretty much the same expect MM is better and sets it out more clearly, is that right? So i suggest getting the mystery method, then check out david deAngelo's stuff. Plus you'll probly get it cheaper.

Yes, Mystery Method: how to get beautiful women in bed is the revised edition that is authored by Mystery and LoveDrop. It is "Very" similar to the Venusian Art Handbook. However, I belive it is more clearly outlined after reading them both. It's like the Venusian Arts Handbook is a rough draft and the MM book is the final copy!

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I'm gonna take a different approach. Before you even crack the first page of Mystery's book or Neil Strauss book or any other PUA's, read books on self-confidence and leading a productive life. Personally I suggest doing the 30 day program by Tony Robbins- "Personal Power II" (you can download the audio book torrent at Pirate Bay). Stephen Covey has some good stuff out there also (audiobooks on Pirate Bay also). David D. has a good inner-game series that focuses on interally becoming a man. All in all do some soul searching about what your purpose in life is.

The key to being a good pickup artist is being a man who can really (not fake it) stand by himself and doesn't need a woman to find happiness. Books and programs like the one's mentioned above will help with getting your "inner-game" solid and automatically developing confidence. As you progress you will notice that women and people in general can pick up on your change as soon as you walk into a room. They see it in how you carry yourself, the way you talk, what you say, and how you behave. This type of persona attracts not just women, but people without ever having to open your mouth.

The thing about real good pickup artists, is that they don't succeed just in getting laid and women, they are successful in life. A lot of them have their own businesses (David D., Juggler, Neil Strauss), are making good money, and attract not just women, but people period (how else could they run boot camps across America costing thousands of dollars). This is because before they focused on mastering women, they focused on mastering themselves and life.

In my opinion, you will be miles ahead of the curve if you first have your "inner-game" (self-confidence, life purpose, values to live by) mastered before you try and master picking up women. Cuz I guarantee you, if you're fucked up internally and don't know who you are as a person (no purpose, no sense values to live by, happiness is dependent on external circumstances), women (and people in general) will be able to pick up on it.

While his books and teachings are phenomenal, Mystery seems to me, like a perfect example of someone who got all the techniques perfected but never perfected himself. If you've read the Game, you know that Mystery is likely a manic-depressive (sorry in advance to anyone who worships Mystery). In the book he would be excited on day and ready to commit suicide the next. The guy can get laid by the sexiest women in the world, yet has experienced a profound sense of unhappiness. Honestly I'd rather never fuck a girl again and know how to create my own happiness, than fuck a girl everyday and be trying to take my own life. Luckily I can do both, but when it comes down my happiness is far more important than pussy.

One more thing and I'll stop with my Dr. Phil bullshit... if you just get your confidence and inner game together you will notice a dramatic improvement in your game without ever having to touch any of the PUA books. I still advocate PUA books because they will refine your raw talent and provide you with effective techniques. On top of that the stuff that you will read will make a lot more sense and you will know how to improvise to make it work for you. You won't be using shit verbatim...you'll be redefining negs, creating your own DHV techniques, creating peacock methods that work with your personality, and so much other shit because you will have a handle on yourself. Make sense?

Well I wrote a fucking book, but I hope this helps.[/i]

What I would do is go somewhere and try to get a phone number without reading any of the material.

This will give you a benchmark of where you could start. If you can't even make the approach to just talk, you are at the beginning. If you have no problems chatting up strangers even if you don't ask for a number, that's a different story.

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Ice i actually did that after reading 3 DD newsletter's and # closed first time. Then second time. I made a few mistakes on the first one but hey i still got the number. I proves it is'nt that difficult. But it is easier to # close with daygame.

Definately, because why waste your time reading about things you already know or won't help you.

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While I think in general the comments of Chill1113 are far more on the ball than anything you'll read by any of the 'gurus' out there, the beauty of the systems and techniques built up by Mystery, Style et al are that by using the analogy of a game with a rigid structure, they force people into doing things they wouldn't normally do. You could spend a lifetime perfecting your inner game and never get anywhere, but with something like Styles' Rules of the Game, you HAVE to approach x amount of girls on day 2 and then try something else out on day 3 etc.
Basically what I'm saying, and my advice to you Kaint is to always folllow up on the hard bit of all this - actually go out there in the field and try all this shit out until you're sick to death with saying the same words, using the same routines. After all, the only reason some people have 'natural game' is because they're doing it all the time anyway and feel much more comfortable with the whole thing. Hope this helps.

Woot. i agree with ya bros. The utimate aim of the game should be improving self confidence and the art of communicating with people. In life in work in relationships. Life is not jsut about getting laid. Will keep in mind lols aniway checking into army soon. totally busted and freaked as will be moving into a different phase of life.

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