How do i shatter someone who is
USED TO and
NEEDS to have the
center of attention
ALL THE TIME


he's a relatively close AMOG friend who exercises power over me
and I want to pick him apart while being subtle.

I'm not malicious, I just realized self value and demand equality.

Anyone got tactics?
obvious one ive been fighting is:
when someone makes a joke, he builds on it to keep it as if he was the funny one. He always adds something (about him) to the conversation after someone is talking about themself.

I call a strong willed person. It's not negative, it's respectable, however
I'm going to generate a will that can compete with his.

Reailty or am I fooling myself?

Hey mate,

Having had a best friend who was almost exactly like this for 5 years, I know exactly how to make this work. He was a narcissist. I say ‘was’ but we’re still good friends actually.
This will not get you very far . A mindset of competing with an amog will only show traits which are not beneficial to amogging: try-hard-ness, neediness, competitiveness etc. Rather than battling the energy, you need to USE the energy in a way that either makes you look good and him bad, or because he is a friend and you'll be spending time with him in the future, a way that increases BOTH your values.

There are a variety of ways to AMOG. Here, you have to show two main things:

1. You are high value and strong willed, and won’t back down. You’re not a doormat.
2. You are not a threat to him in any way.

The idea is you should not be ‘competing’ with his value. Instead you should find a way that BOTH of your values MUTUALLY increase through the interaction. Play on his side, use his momentum.

First, a couple of ground rules. When he makes a funny joke, LAUGH AND ADD TO THE HUMOUR. All good Amoggers know this is the right thing to do in this situation. Even if the guy is a right prick, you always have to add value, not take it away. Second, if he has made a joke or a comment that is clearly not funny or out of place, call him out on it. Now here is where amogging tactics come in. Example:

AMOG: (Makes a bad joke or snide comment).
PUA: “Haha dude (place hand on shoulder), you know you can do better than that.”

So you’re saying what he said was shit, but it gets accepted under the radar because overall you have placed that comment in a value frame which attaches value to him. Basically frame insults as compliments . Very clever if done right.

Another great line I made up is: “Haha dude, that was so un-funny that it was actually funny.” So you’re calling him out, but still adding value to him and yourself.

Once you’ve DHV’ed enough and shown you’re not a doormat, he won’t ‘use’ you or tool you so much. Instead he will work with you and together you two will tool everyone else.

A few points on not being a threat. FIRST you show that you can’t be tooled with, then you show you’re not a threat. How do you do this? Qualify him. Phrases like “Dude I like you, you don’t have to impress me.” Are classic AMOG phrases which increase your value and decrease his WHILST you still being completely courteous and nice. But this is still subconsciously confrontational and not so good in the long run if you are friends with the person. If you won’t see him again it’s great. But for you when he tools you, once you have shown you’re not a doormat, just laugh it off HARDER than he does, make fun of yourself, show that you are cool with it. Basically take his joke and make it bigger, even if it’s about you. Take whatever he does and make it bigger. This way you’re adding value and stealing his frame. Awesome.

Much amogging is non-verbal, so make sure you're touching him, slapping him on the back/shoulder, invading his space subtly etc. Also, make sure YOU exude a confidence pose, that is, arms and legs not crossed, standing wide and taking up space etc.

There are some quite high-tech techniques in here, use them wisely buddy, and hope it helps

I know this may be a little off topic, but it relates on some level in an important way. When I first joined the community about a year ago, my mentor and I went out sarging. The first night was basically him opening a couple of sets so I could witness and then trowing me into the fire and getting hands on. That same night he went over all the basics (structured game) and gave me loads of titles to read. Well after all that and almost a whole year practicing I've established a more natural/inner game that has helped become a well rounded person. While going out with him I noticed he would AMOG quite a bit, but since we were both in the community together we could not only pregame but also sit down and discuss post game issues. I brought up his AMOGing and of course both of us being understanding students of the art of seduction and social dynamics came to a conclusion that a MUTUAL AMOG tactic would work. It worked for us anyway (past tense, my friend is now residing in Japan). We would go into a set and either he or I would AMOG first and as if "passing the torch" make subtle transitions (they have to be very subtle or your "game" gets crushed, women have very sensitive sense of intuition) to the other to take over the AMOG role. This worked well for us because being successful with it created a HUGE dynamic in the set allowing for mutual value and also not giving more attention to one than the other. We each played our parts as either the point or wing, we never deviated from that, we simply modified our approach and came away more satisfied, equally rewarded and mutually respected.

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Here must all distrust be left behind; all cowardice must be ended. - Dante Alighieri

I know this may be a little off topic, but it relates on some level in an important way. When I first joined the community about a year ago, my mentor and I went out sarging. The first night was basically him opening a couple of sets so I could witness and then trowing me into the fire and getting hands on. That same night he went over all the basics (structured game) and gave me loads of titles to read. Well after all that and almost a whole year practicing I've established a more natural/inner game that has helped become a well rounded person. While going out with him I noticed he would AMOG quite a bit, but since we were both in the community together we could not only pregame but also sit down and discuss post game issues. I brought up his AMOGing and of course both of us being understanding students of the art of seduction and social dynamics came to a conclusion that a MUTUAL AMOG tactic would work. It worked for us anyway (past tense, my friend is now residing in Japan). We would go into a set and either he or I would AMOG first and as if "passing the torch" make subtle transitions (they have to be very subtle or your "game" gets crushed, women have very sensitive sense of intuition) to the other to take over the AMOG role. This worked well for us because being successful with it created a HUGE dynamic in the set allowing for mutual value and also not giving more attention to one than the other. We each played our parts as either the point or wing, we never deviated from that, we simply modified our approach and came away more satisfied, equally rewarded and mutually respected.

If youre involved with someone not familiar with the PU community you can still bring it up in ways they can relate to, avoiding the use of such phrases and acronyms we are comfortable with. It never hurts to talk about it especially when regardless of whether or not the friend is familiar with it, the end goal is the same. You both want to end up with beautiful women by the end of the night.

This is only one man's experience and opinion, simply take from it what will help you if anything exists that will.

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Here must all distrust be left behind; all cowardice must be ended. - Dante Alighieri