To keep it brief: after two months of running back to a girl (not seeming to needy, freezing her out multiple times and dating other girls in the meantime), I met her.
During the previous two months she didn't consider me much and often found excuses, I got angry over the phone a couple times, then disappeared... anyway, at the end of this purgatory we went out.

6 hours, both very drunk, good feeling. I pay, she says "I'll pay next time then", she tries to impress me, to show her value... everything is fantastic.
she seems very invested and this is in strong contrast with what happened during the previous two months of course... or not?

anyway, I walk her home, I ask her when she's leaving and she answers "in two days". I ask her to see her the following day, she says she's busy but that she'll be back soon.

at that point, alcohol plays me a bad joke and I get very upset. what follows is a negative escalation in which we basically go into a verbal fight. she tells that she's not playing games, that if I think that I can go away, that she's serious with me and want to see me again.
I acted very needy unfortunately, seeking permission and not being a prize... actually the opposite.
anyway, the day after I text her saying I'm sorry for the bad ending.

after that, nothing.

crazy thing, I realized that after we first met, she waited til THE LAST DAY BEFORE SHE LEFT FOR A MONTH to meet me. a bit nonsense or what?
if she wanted to avoid me she could have just flaked that day right?
also, I was impressed by the way she made long term plans ("will you be living in france next year? I may have the opportunity to be there too if I ask my uni") and tried to convince me about her value.


I'm very confused, I don't know what to think: on one hand, she seems absolutely uninterested, never initiated conversation apart from once (after two week I was silent), on the other hand... well it's all written above.

it may help your analysis that she's very young and absolutely amazing, always gets a huge amount of followers for whatever she does... but I can safely say I'm not in that group, luckily.

And I'm very aware of my previous errors, this post is not aimed at getting criticized about something I already regret enough


Thanks a lot folks!

What's to say here, other than that I just read a post about another flaky, sassy, fussy and whimiscal woman who tells herself and others she's got all her plans laid out and that she is loyal, authentic and committed, while in fact everything points towards the opposite.

It's not that bad that you got angry. You showed you hold yourself in high regard and won't be tossed around by her moods and shifty agenda. What choice of response does she have other than saying that she is serious and committed about seeing you, which is something you'll all too readily believe because you fell for this chick because of her looks.

You're probably right. Still, her middle east origins and some other elements point in the direction of her being extremely shy and not just playing hard to get.
I've read that in her country, going out with a man, even just for drinks, is considered "official".

So, what do you suggest?

She's back to her country and won't be back in my city (the city where she lives 10 months a year) until the end of August.
In the meantime, only thing happening is my birthday (and hers as well).

How to behave if I want to see her again?
(Of course, not forgetting other girls! Even if I feel they just don't compare in terms of cleverness and beauty, and therefore I'm always a bit unmotivated...)

Thanks!

She was not in her country, now was she? Girls who tell you crap about their religious morals and cultural upbringing are always playing a trick on you. They know very well no-one is watching them. Wrote countless of well-documents posts on this elsewhere. My thread 'to live Epically' is a starter.

Here's what you do.

While she is partying with the Saudi's and building sandcastles in the Middle East you go around town pursuing other chicks. Throw the Saudi chick a text or two. For instance during her birthday, to let her know you didnt forget about her. Then she comes back and you try to take her out.

Hunting other chicks is vital part of this, big chance her family will give her as wedding present to some family relative.

Haha, your views about the middle east are a bit distorted I guess, at least about the country I'm talking about... This girl is very similar to european ones, apart from how phisical she was during our first date... But hey, if I didn't know where she is from, I'd have probably thought she was simply shy.

And no, she didn't say "my culture is not to let strangers touch me..." or things like that, infact she specified she's not religious at all.

Having said that, I think you're absolutely right regarding my strategies.
Point is, I sent her a text right after we went out to say I was sorry and she didn't answer (two weeks ago). It'll be my birthday in a month and if she doesn't write me, to write for her birthday would probably sound a bit desperate.

Anyway, to just hope she writes me to write back is a very weak strategy... But it may be the only option!
Any other advice?

Fuck, I'm going to live in california in a few months, I'll forget if I have to (but it'll be painful).
What a terrible case of oneitis this is if I can say so myself!

I'm in a similar but not as drastic situation. I met a girl, two months later I hit her up to kik it. We did. 1 day later she moved around 2 hours away (this is why i say not as drastic bc shes only a couple hours away rather than another country). I text her maybe once every week and have a fun/flirty conversation that builds attraction, keeps her interested in me, and gets her excited for when we see each other next.

Obviously it would be better if you didnt get in that fight at the end of ur date, but thats behind you now and you (as im sure you know) should never mention it again and pretend it didn't happen. I'm pretty sure her same number won't work if she's in the middle east so I'd facebook message her just to test the waters and see if she's even willing to respond positively to you.

Send an interesting message and have fun with it. Make sure its not boring like "hey whats up" but instead something more exciting that sparks her emotion...preferrably something an inside joke or something that happened on ur date. if you've got nothing you can used canned material to try to get a response like "i met your twin today!" or "you'll never believe what happened!".

If she responds positively then message every couple weeks and have a fun and flirty conversation. Be sure to have that cocky and funny attitude throughout most of your messages.

At the same time go out and meet more girls in your area. That'll keep your mind off her and you won't be so needy and wont be wanting to send her a message all the time. Don't save yourself for her becuse surely she wont be saving herself for you.

Once you're finally able to meet just do your thing and if you were flirty enough when texting and sexual then she'll be more attracted to you than ever. Good luck!

On ps3 I met a chick called Khulood from United Arab Emirates. She was doing a bachelor in economics and looking for a job. Then I offered to exchange photos but she said that in her culture it's forbidden. Then randomly her sister sends me a message saying that Khulood has been married to a random guy who asked her uncle if he could marry her. Within 3 weeks the deal was sealed.

Seriously, dude, her origins are not the primary issue. She's from that area but half of her family is french, she's very rich and half of her family lives in europe.
She may be a bit more shy than european girls but don't imagine her with a burqa!

The main problem is: she is young and I may have come too strong, I know she was very interested in me but I think I scared her a lot with my psycho behaviour.
In September, I'll see her pretty often in the street and in clubs, and I'm wondering what a good way to save the situation would be.
Remember, one of the last things she said was "I want to see you again", but that may have been just circumstancial.

Treat everything women say as circumstancial. Because it always is.