Well I am still new to this PUA community and learning.
Basically I am a professional working full time so cant really go out sarging every night except weekends, and that too is not so often as i have to work sometimes on weekends too.

But I do go out everyday for lunch and there are a lotta different restaurants to try around my workplace and I do see a lotta beautiful women but the thing is I know nothing about day game, approaching, direct or indirect, DHVing, being CnF, holding a conversation or any possible kino.
I did look up a number of threads on this forum but almost every other thread talks about club games but nothing elaborate about the day game. I guess being a PUA means being able to meet women regardless of the location or time.
If anybody can throw more light on this form of the game, it would be highly appreciated.

Thanks

Like some people will tell you day game... is just a watered down version of night game. Me i can only practice day game i'm now in the process of figuring out why some stuff works and why it doesn't. As for day game, opening dhving, and most of the other stuff are the same. What i think the main differences are energy level and topics people at night want to be approached and know they are going to be approached. Day time not so much plus your energy levl should be a lil lower not as hih as it would at night any way.

Hope this helps

i also think indirect openers are more effective in daygame, while direct openers are better for clubs-bars.

btw, great nickname V2! thats a good one!

You can use either an indirect or a direct opener during the day (same for night), but like V2 said, it has to be conveyed at a lower energy or you will come off like you are on speed.

I find that situational openers are best for day game...for example, if an HB is reading a chick magazine you can make a comment like, "So, what facinating material on men do they have this month?" (use cock / funny here). Spike some attratction and then get her to talk about her day, or even start talking about your day. Usually if your game is good, the numbers will be solid, much more so than for night game. Good luck!

Yeah, I'm forced to do day game being a teenager, and all.

Situational openers are great to use, and I do them a lot more than opinion openers. I've never, ever used an opinion opener because somehow I managed to use a situational opener... I've also gone direct and had a little bit of success.

Today I tried out a Shocker, and it worked out great. Except for the fact that I needed to work on the complete delivery. It still built up a lot of attraction, and I could carry on if I really needed to. I just need to go back to the store and see if she's working there.

There's also a modified version of an opinion opener used by Gambler. He puts in a specific time and says 20 minutes, and he leaves the question open-ended, but there's only two ends - and he chose which two. It's like a double-bind combined with an opinion opener. A double bind is, to my understanding, a question where you give them their choices - or they come up with a third option.

Yes, a lower energy frequency is needed. You don't want to be hyper in the day-time unless you got up to a point in the interaction where you're both really excited about each other.

Kino. Well, there's not much on it out there... If there is then I just haven't noticed. It's kind of hard for me to describe because it needs to be shown to you through a video, and I need to have a greater understanding of it. I know how to apply it, though. :S

Friendly and sociable. These can help you out a lot. You're not afraid to talk to everybody, and you do talk to everybody. If you want to talk to one person then you isolate them.

Isolation. You don't necessarily need to bring somebody into another room to isolate them. Position your bodys using a soft touch - like if you were moving through a bunch of people through a crowd and didn't want to budge. They'll just move.

Oh hey! Kino-talk!

Anyways, use your finger-tips to move them around. Just lightly... You don't push them, you compel them.

Moving targets. Do you know how people tell people to calm down? Well, it's kind of like that, except your hands are a little lower. At about waist-height. You also want to rock-out - if you know what that means.

Rocking out. Well... In this case you kind of just lean back.

If you're behind them, then you can just walk a little faster to get ahead or jog. Put your hands out, rock out, and open.

If you're passing each other do basically the same thing.

Eye contact. Do not be afraid to have eye contact. Hold it when necessary, and look at them in a really sexy way. Or just convey emotion through your eyes. Don't just fucking stare. You need to build a connection with them

Holding a Conversation. Direct openers, and bad delivery aside - you need to make it seem like they said something very interesting and they compelled you to stay with them. I've asked a girl in my class what the French exam was on; she started listing a whole bunch of crap; she brought up essays on an artist, a piece of art, or our dream vacation. I was being a little bit of a smartass and started talking about me wanting to float in space with trippy planets all around me, then I asked her what hers was. She started talking about her essay topic and it was about a piece of art. I did a CnF/double-bind and then the conversation progressed from there...

Holding conversation - pt two. Well, I've opened another girl in my class about her book and stuff. I started observing things and making comments about them. Well, that was after I asked a few questions... But then I decided I asked too many and just started making comments instead of questions - then she just started talking about them. I threw in kino and role-playing and gossip. She said I have this weird presence, and asked if I was in Drama. (I am). I said so, then I asked her what it was about me - she didn't know. Then I made up this skit after a little while, somehow, where we were a couple and we broke up.. Then I remembered the movie topic from this forum where there's going to be Zan, and stuff. I applied that to being a book, and we made up a story plot and acted it out together.

I also bounced her to the vending machine to get some food because I was hungry. Then we went back to the other place.

Getting ready for the approach.

Okay, you might feel pretty anxious... Everyone does. Even me -.-'

This is where inner game comes in. People are scared of approaching because they're unsure of their abilities, and it's a built-in mechanism for some fucking reason...

It's going to be a fight-or-flight response, and you need to re-program yourself to be a fighter. This is going to be your automatic response whenever something happens. Not just walk away and wait for another opportunity... If you can do this then you'll be quicker-witted, higher energy, hopefully funnier, and a whole bunch of other things. Plus it'll pay off when you get used to the feeling, and hopefully you'll start to love it.

Body language/kino. Well, if you're talking to a group - rock in and out depending on if they're paying attention or not. You want to keep the attention of the entire group or else they'll start having their own conversations, or they'll just leave because you're hitting on their friend. You should also be animated with hand gestures and not be boring. Maintain eye contact with anybody you need to - everybody. If they start whispering to each other... Well, get their attention - and since your hands are moving anyways quickly grab their attention by putting your fingers in the direction they're staring in, then bring them back to you.







Formula for success:
Rough Draft/Outline... Because nothing's in stone:
[EDIT] Try to follow this to the best of your abilities.

Month 1: Opening. AKA the Approach Anxiety Annihilator
Month 2: Opening + Mid-Game.
Month 3: Opening + Mid-Game + # Close
Month 4: Opening + Mid-Game + # Close + Date
Month 5: Opening + Mid-Game + # Close + Date + Fuck
Month 6: Opening + Mid-Game + F Close

You might need more help in a certain area... So it may or may not take longer. I'm working on this right now to try adding new kinds of openers into my game and get rid of my AA. I've found that my natural game is kind of limited because of the need for situational openers... Or if I'm looking like crap and I try to use a direct opener.

I've also found that if you use a direct opener, a lot of the time you can't continue the conversation... You just need to go for a day 2. Whereas a Shocker can be used to carry the conversation, and lead to mid-game then end-game, then day twos or apparently f-closes... But I have yet to master the Shocker.

You're welcome

This is basically an entire system I've written down. I should print this out, and turn it into an organized program... Hmm. I might also have been able to elaborate more, which is good.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask. Oh, and I do open more than my school-mates - I actually go out into malls and stuff and do this. I also have openers for certain places. But I'm trying to come up with different kinds of Shockers I could use instead. But being young, I don't have as many memories... And what if I get those girls to meet up with me? Hopefully by then I've told them I'm a PUA, and that it was just an opener.

I just remembered a lot of other things I could've included... Just ask if you want them.

Inner Game
Behaviour
AA vs Semi-shy Alpha
Fashion
What Not To Talk About

and I think a few others, but I'd need something to jog memory.

Oh yeah, uhh one is the difference between night openers and day openers.
Humour
Confusion
Attraction

Let's make a system right in this thread - anything else, you guys?

Alright well, I got a couple PMs asking about shockers, and someone who wanted to know more about the other things.

Shockers are an opener created by Brad P, and probably going to be made popular by me.

It disorients them at first by asking a question - follows up with a special kind of story, and builds social tension, then you have a punchline.

It works really well, and it's very easy to come up with your own - well... Unless you've never been "cooler" than a girl at least once. That could happen if you're like 12 years old and on this forum.

Inner Game. Well, you'll feel a shit-load of Approach Anxiety. You need to have the right attitude, and this is how you speak to yourself inside your head. It's how you feel, and how you interpret everybody else.

Confident people don't just fucking sit at home and watch DVD's, read books, and listen to damn CD's instead of approaching and get experience. Confident people go in anyways because it doesn't matter - they act, they are the people who accomplish, and do something. I happen to listen to CDs, watch DVDs, and read books - but - I also approach and try to get as far as I can in every situation. Sometimes I get only as far as the opener and it doesn't stick. Just don't let it phase you. In your mind you say, "Next". Sometimes you'll do it and nothing will stick... Just move on, you got it out of the way and it's inevitable to get a no or not to get very far. It's also inevitable to get a yes, and go all the way.

Your behaviour should be congruent with your so-called beliefs. Beliefs are, a lot of the time, built on sand. They're shifting, and it's not very stable. If you manage to get it firmly rooted though, and you put enough passion into it - then the sand's gonna turn into glass. Try removing a building from a sand-dune made of glass... My guess is it would be pretty fucking hard.

You can look up attractive behaviours in other places - you don't just have to look here. Some things off the top of my head:

Don't be needy. You can approach women with a shitty line, but if you sub-communicate that you're qualifying them then you can make it work. There's no need to supplicate here. Just don't.

Confidence. Act.

Assertive. Stand your ground.

Frames. Interpret things in a certain way - can go hand-in-hand with Assertive if she's giving you a shit-test.

AA vs Shy Alpha.

AA. I've been the nervous wreck who was scared to even talk to somebody at a fast-food restaurant to order, and I was scared to go in elevators alone. This, to me, is approach anxiety - don't even get me started on how I acted with women.

Shy Alpha. This is common for me. I'm not nervous to go out in public, start up conversations with restaurant people, or go in elevators. I'm also great with body language, and I have a crazy, fantastic vibe that I carry around with me. Women tend to open Me. But that's kind of a bad thing... I'm not scared of talking, but I'm also not completely over my AA. After they open me, it's just money. But I haven't completely changed my flight-or-flight to fight. I always feel Alpha, but I'm shy. I'm working on getting over this, and I want to smash it so I'm just Alpha. I take what I want, and I'm not afraid to talk - or I am afraid, and I overcome my fears and inhibitions anyways.

Fashion. Ahh, fashion. One of my favourite tools... I have great fashion sense and this signals that I'm one of the insiders, one of the rare guys who care about how they dress. I see guys who go out in ugly clothing, things are mis-matched, dirty old shoes, and their style is Socially Awkward. It's part of why I get opened by girls, and the other is body language and vibe. I went with a Rockstar look because of obvious reason... I think they're more sharply just than gangsters, and they're called good-looking. Shoes are also important, and can vary the style you're trying to go for - sneakers VS high-tops VS dress shoes VS flats VS any other shoe-type. It doesn't always change the style, but it can send mixed messages... Which is actually good.

Gangsters, to me, can look like a bunch of homeless people unless they have good fashion sense. But the gangsters I've seen are white, ugly, walk weird, and have no concept of fashion or life. They're also fronting behind their gangster appearance to make themselves feel confident... I've tested their confidence and they failed miserably. They have really crappy body language, and it's not considered cool to walk properly if you're a gangster, apparently. You need to walk with your thighs out, pants down to your ass, kind of hunched over, swaying your body, and hands on your crotch.

Rockers. This is a classic look, and probably won't fade anytime soon. Jeans and a t-shirt, nice shoes. If you wanted to mix it up have a nice fitting blazer, and you're set. I would normally want to go with high-tops or flats, but sometimes I need to change it with my Nike Dunks because it goes with a different jacket.

Businessman. I won't go too much into this, but I mentioned blazers and stuff. People in this look classy, and if they have the right kind of suit they look like they're mafia or they're wall-street guy. They're powerful, authoritative, dominant figures.

There are a few more styles... But anyways, you can also mix styles and create a tension which works well - but you need to have a discerning eye to see what does or does not work.

Things that go together:
Shoes and jacket
Belt and jacket
Belt, jacket, shoe
Shirt, pants

If you wear a tie or scarf:
Jacket, Tie, Shoes
Shirt, Pants

I don't wear hats, but if I did I'd make it match my jacket, tie, and shoes.

My outfits tend to go like this:
Mixed message = Rocker + Prep + Gangster
Matching = Shirt, Pants, Belt + Jacket, Shoes
Peacocking = Necklace, Watch, T-shirt if I'm wearing one; Tie if I'm going a little more formal. If I feel like showing off I have big silver crown with blue and white crystals for a belt-buckle. I also have a belt-buckle with an onyx ace of clubs card.
Colours = Whatever outfit I have that matches, and compliments each other - black and white, with red accents (red is the printed t-shirt). Black and red with blue accents (Style's kind of outfit... t-shirt over a dress shirt) where the blue is the t-shirt's design, black is the t-shirt's main colour, and red is the dress shirt. I've also worn a hat with this - it was blue and white. It went well, and hid my bad hair. If you look good in certain colours then go wear them - I like the darker colours, and shades. Black and white always look good... Assuming you picked nice clothes. Adding accents make the outfit more interesting.

Oh yeah - the fit. Well, I don't like things too baggy. If my outfit is a rocker then it is kind of skinny - and if my entire outfit is skinny except my jacket which doesn't fit it just gets ruined.

Having nice hair is also important. If you don't have the right hair then the outfit's ruined. Just... Have nice hair. When you take a shower have good conditioner. You put the shampoo, and other stuff in your hair immediately, then you wash it out after you lather it. With the conditioner you'll want to lather it in your hair, let it stay for a couple minutes (I usually leave it for 3) then rinse it out. The bubbles created by the shampoo damage the hair, and makes it dry. Leaving the conditioner in your hair longer allows the hair to absorb the moisture, and look softer and shinier.

Body language and vibe include, but not limited to: eye contact - what I convey through my eyes, and micro-gestures that I'm signalling. Girls are very good at picking this up. I've had fake confidence and real confidence, and they can tell when it's fake - I've been tested on this. But sometimes they'll just let it go and appreciate that you're trying to be confident. But sometimes the confidence comes across as arrogance - so watch out.

I've been typing for like 2 hours, and I'm going to wrap this up really quickly... I'm gonna take a break, watch tv, then get ready for the craziest approach I've ever thought of doing.

Okay:
What not to talk about:
Boring things... Don't make small talk. This is basic. Maybe at first when you're opening, but then you go into deeper things based on what kind of opener you used... And calibration. Don't make meaningless small-talk because that will get you nowhere - and don't talk too deep at first because they'll wondering what the hell you're talking about.

You talk to them like you're talking to a friend - except you also question them. You tell them certain things, and you don't tell them more personal things. They're not that close of a friend yet.


Anybody else mind taking it from here? Talk about what you want... Stop following my system. But here's in applicable detail what you can do. I want to refine this, and elaborate on more concepts.

I'd like it if you guys' actually went out, tried this, then take what works for you from it. If you just read it that's fine... But doing it will take balls, and maybe a good memory if you try following it to a T.

My process for getting things down is putting my subconscious to work - more on this later...

@ roxstar, u really rock man!!!
That's some exhaustive information.

Well initially I thought going direct, making an interesting observation or something and approaching them, (well suits my style) and secondly how many guys have the balls to go direct during the day, speaks a lot abt the confidence of the guy, and I guess makes it even more attractive for them.
By going indirect, you need to come up with forced threads and stories to hold the conversation, if you are not natural or good at it, I believe, correct me if I am wrong...
Also would the routine change if its two or more girls...
More inputs appreciated...

Thanks for the feedback.

I wasn't even done yet But I also learned a few more things today, like my primetime for approaching girls, another fashion tip, AA annihilation, living in and for the moment, I remembered about my iPod cheat. I also started progressing with my AAA - which I will call Approach Anxiety Annihilation from now on because I don't want to keep typing that anymore. The American Auto Association can suck a nut, they're my initials now!

First I'll answer yours, then go into my new ones before I forget them:

I think that your theory on direct day game is interesting... Maybe that's why I got decent results after just 10 seconds of talking? And yes, you do need to come up with new threads - I haven't memorized any routines except for the openers and the closes. I memorized things that would help my game out like body language and beliefs - but those are more internalized and routine.

If I maybe broke down the structure of the pickup then I could find a formula for new routines and techniques to come up with situational mid-game. We'll see... When I consistently get there then I'll be able to break it down. I haven't had much success because I've been going at the wrong time for the past while. Now it just won't happen - I KNOW when they're out.

Routine change for two or more girls. Hmm... Well, I don't know. I might actually know a couple routines - and I've seen David Wygant infield in Mehow's Infield Insider. He's a good natural, but he also has canned openers. His game was a little friendlier than anything I've seen. Very pleasant, not small-talk, and it was a little deep. They talked about the people in LA being fake and stuff, and brought up a sexual kind of situation by her saying she always waking up with scratches - then he said he could come over and check why. There were a few things he did in that one...

Alright so my primetime for approaching girls is 3pm. For some reason I've been going out and 1pm. I don't have school this week, and I didn't want to be stuck in the house all day. But then I kept getting discouraged and just went home... Only girls out then are ugly and with a bunch of wangsters. I tried to go for 5 hours but walking around for two hours getting nowhere takes a toll on me. I went out later with my dad to get a movie and I chatted up a Blockbuster girl, apparently my useless walking served a purpose - the mental warm up. And that's when I got these new ideas.

Another fashion tip. Well, I went out today and my outfit seemed kind of strange to me. I followed my regular rules, but then I realized my showpiece (the design on the shirt) wasn't showy enough. It just blended in with the outfit, and the white jacket made it seem less apparent. So - if you're going with my rules, when the shirt is printed on; and it has a black background; and assuming you followed the other rules - have it a little showier, I guess. But really... Go with whatever makes you feel great! I dress up because that's one less excuse, women approach me, and I know I look good - and it makes me feel good.

AA Annihilation.
-You can just walk up to women and get used to the feeling of approaching.
-You only get one chance at life... So live it. It's not a video game where you start again - it's the most graphic experience you'll ever have.
-Get used to do things that take a little more balls. Ask for directions, start singing and dancing in the street, strike up conversation with a stranger, etc. Be creative with this, and if you're not comfortable with doing something in public - do it. I openly smelled myself to see if I still smelled alright.

Living FOR and IN the Moment. This is very necessary for eliminating AA. I stopped thinking so much and over-analyzing. I actually concentrated. This made my version a little blurry and I was seeing the Matrix. It felt awesome. I felt more energy, my focus was multiplied, and I had more balls.

The down-part for those with routines is that they have to memorize things... And analyze. Being natural like this is when you have the mindset that they are already yours. THERE MUST BE NO DOUBT IN YOUR MIND THAT SHE IS ALREADY YOURS.

When you are in the moment, there is absolutely NOTHING more than you and her. Maybe her group... But they'll become irrelevant. Have a moment with her that is so fucking hot, and when you look at her it's like, "WOW...". You will never be able to describe this. I've had this once when I intended it, and we were left speechless... She opened me by playing footsie in class Fuck, I want her now! Can't wait 'til Monday. OH! And another girl! They're both mine! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

My Favourite Forms of Eye Contact:
Pure Masculine Intent. You look at women with such desire, focus, and intention that they are compelled to initiate.
Speechless Stare. I've described this... Look above.
Lion's Den. You basically look at them sensually, and with the mindset, "She's just entered the Lion's Den 'cuz we're about to fuck."

All powerful, and pretty similar - but they have slightly different reactions.

Oh and, The Power of Will.
If you intend for something to happen immediately, and you are in alignment with what you want - you will have it. Or, at least, an opportunity for you to have it.

All you need to do is act. Don't doubt, don't second-guess, when the moment is there, when the opportunity is there, act. That's ALL you need to do.

You do this, then you WILL have it... But in the off-chance you don't - you will get another opportunity. She may change her mind. Or you just walk down the street, and you see someone just like her. Something will happen.

I've actually had a lot more success in the past three days then I have in the past year because I've actually been going out, and creating opportunity, and being in alignment with what I want. I just got stuck at home reading last year... Well, actually I had a lot of success last year. But I realized a lot more from actually going out more. Okay, new goal, out-do myself!

Oh, yeah... The iPod Cheat.

This one is simple. If you have songs with positive message, or you ripped a CD and put it on your iPod then you could listen to it. Kay, well let's face it. Everyone has an iPod these days. If you're listening to say, a NEW PRODUCT BY ROXSTAR, then you could cheat. Most people will automatically assume you are listening to music, and not dating advice. I'd set it to a track where it helps your situation. Opening tracks - opening. And so-on.

Caveat - if you want more success, internalize the tracks, then focus on the moment. Turn the iPod after a little while... It becomes more rewarding. Although, doing the iPod cheat really does work. I was gaming a 20-30 year old and getting pretty far. Up until she found out how old I was...

Lol, I don't have an audio product... Just kidding! But if someone's willing to buy me an audio recorder I'll more than gladly do it. I'd even give you a free copy.