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PostPosted: Mon Apr 15, 2013 4:19 pm 
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I created this opener, and I don't mind sharing it with the community. Especially because It's one of those openers that stems from who I am as a person, and it will probably work for me and only me, but with a few simple changes it could work for just about anyone with an interesting job choice.

Anyone who's read mypast posts know I'm a big fan of indirect, seducing her mind first then seducing her body with a smile (;D) and I actually want to go to school to be a psychologist which is what this opener is all about. I try to explain the intention and effects of each line.

So lets begin. I approach a girl using all the BL of an alpha and generally not being interested in her until we make eye contact(depending on the level of eye contact-strong, flitting, whatever-I'll know how much to disqualify and neg within the first couple of minutes. Right now i'm trying to learn how to calibrate on the fly but this works well, too.).

So before even the first time I open my mouth I'm already putting out there "I am the prize, I'm talking to you because I want to and that's it" So I say something like:

"Hey, I've got a question and I need an answer." (Not necessarily from her, I just have a question that I want answered.)

HB: "Sure?/Ok?/What time is it?!"

6: What's your first impression of Psychologist?(It seems like at first you're reaction seeking but you're really just baiting her to go into auto-pilot so you can call her out on her shit. Roots and FTC's would go in here as well)

HB:Blah Blah, I dunno, they're cool, they're weird....

At this point it's about maintaining my frame, since being a psychologist is how I want to make my living. Reward her for positive, punish her for negatives So let's say she said something negative about psychologist.

6: Alright well first off, Fuck you, psychologist are awesome. But here's the real question, would you date your Psychologist? Assuming you're not crazy and you don't already have one, let's say you did start feeling that gut "Ooh I'm attracted to this guy" feeling, and you start feeling sexy around him. What would you think about actually beginning a relationship with him? (it's important to calibrate how receptive a girl is to sexual undertones. If she's really into you already and you can tell, you can accuse her of being nasty and thinking it's like a bad porno movie where the doctor fucks his patient...just to get her thinking about it ;] )

HB: Hmm Blah blah blah blah blah

6: Yeah I know what you mean. Want to know what I think? I think any woman would be CRAZY not to desire a man that can satisfy all her needs, physically, sexually, EMOTIONALLY (Again, sexual undertones should be just that, 'under', so you put emphasis on emotionally). Insecurity and lack of self-respect in a woman is SUCH a turn off...you know?(DHV)

HB: Yeah blah blah blah blah

6: Hmm well you seem very interesting, probably the coolest girl(s) i've met in the past 15 minutes. What's your name?

HB: haha thanks my name is blah blah blah

Then you continue on to other routines and game. What this opener sets for the interaction is that you are an interesting guy that knows exactly what he wants and you're not afraid to say it, because you're the prize and women would be 'CRAZY' (literally), not to fall for a guy like you.

BOOM. What do you guys think? I'm going to field test it of course but I wanted to put it out here so you guys can marvel at it, cause I think it's pretty fucking Genius.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 23, 2013 9:18 am 
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i dig it -- especially because it doesnt matter what soever how they respond.... ill give it a run maybe under a different profession and let you know how it works for me


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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 10:12 pm 
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To be honest i don't like that opener, I have been reading a lot of psychology books and are genuinely interested in psychology as you, but, maybe its just me, but even saying the word "psychology" never worked during attraction in my experiences, like, neeeveer, hahaha,

my idea is that is really good to know and understand psychology but is never a good idea to discuss it with most of your targets, for many reasons, for example they feel attacked in their inside, they feel observed, they think the psychologist can't make them feel emotions because he only studies emotions, they feel psychologists are for people that are dead inside

i prefer to USE psychology and never talk about it, for example psychology taught me that a girls are run on emotions and bravery in any of its forms attracts them, so i prefer to go straight to her, no lies, "excuse me what time is it?" , she's about to reply (she's thinking you're the insecure 99% that is going to ask another boring question) - you interrupt her: "actually i came here because i think you're cute"

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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:25 pm 
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I don't like it. Indirect openers are supposed to be a little subliminal, yours is not. "What do you think of (insert your profession here)?" "Would you date one? I am one". This is basically how your opener came off to me. Don't get me wrong, I think the premise is a good one "would you date your psychologist?" But I think it actually works better if you don't mention you're going to be a psychologist. "The reason I'm asking is because a find of mine is in love with their psychologist and I think it's a bad idea for her to date him because blablabla"- I think this would be a better opener. I like to save the career aspirations talk until the first date anyways.


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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 4:07 pm 
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Completely forgot about this. I don't think I'll post the finished version though. It'll be my personal tool.

In any case, this isn't really an 'opener' as much an 'Opening routine'. In all actuality, it doesn't matter what you say as the opener, as long as it

A. Catches her attention

B. Sets the frame of the conversation desirably

C. Is Easily stackable/transitional

The whole point of this routine is to literally through script 'start' to fire off actions automatically(Kino, Attraction building, and Comfort building all from this opening routine). Like I said above anything can be used to start a conversation, such as 'Hi', but this is a routine that works as an opener and a followup. My finished version is a lot more of a checklist than a script however, and i've changed the context of the conversation slightly.
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my idea is that is really good to know and understand psychology but is never a good idea to discuss it with most of your targets, for many reasons, for example they feel attacked in their inside, they feel observed, they think the psychologist can't make them feel emotions because he only studies emotions, they feel psychologists are for people that are dead inside
This may be true, but psychology also associates you with Power, Value (It's a common belief that Psycologist are paid well as I've discovered), and a Man who potentially 'Gets it' -how a woman really works in terms of attraction. Really, you can work almost ANY career angle to show benefits. All in all, the whole point it to be Alpha. As long as YOU the pua is comfortable with what you're saying, it doesn't matter.

BTW, I always throw out a tester statement to determine whether to go Indirect or Direct when opening. If she's shooting IOIs the moment I talk to her, it'd be silly to waste time with indirect. It's all about calibration my friend, your end objective is sex either way.
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I don't like it. Indirect openers are supposed to be a little subliminal, yours is not. "What do you think of (insert your profession here)?" "Would you date one? I am one". This is basically how your opener came off to me. Don't get me wrong, I think the premise is a good one "would you date your psychologist?" But I think it actually works better if you don't mention you're going to be a psychologist. "The reason I'm asking is because a find of mine is in love with their psychologist and I think it's a bad idea for her to date him because blablabla"- I think this would be a better opener. I like to save the career aspirations talk until the first date anyways.
It really doesn't matter what you say. If you read, the whole point of mentioning that I myself wanted to be a psychologist or whatever profession before she gave her answer is to open an opportunity to neg her if she fails to give an IOI. (I.E 'Fuck you, Psychologist are awesome') and gain control of the frame from the get go. Add to the fact that you're already talking on a personal level rewards with some awesome Roleplaying time.

Also, i've used indirect hundreds of times and it doesn't matter if you say you it's happening to your friend or not, as long as you add a root and an FTC, the same effect comes across. In fact, I personally believe it's better to get your career out there asap if it's an interesting one because women always want to know that you are a man with a goal in life. A man that's going places. Combine this with talk about relationships(Emotional and Sexual-you can always bring it back up later in the conversation to escalate!) which women absolutely adore to talk about, and this may just be the most interesting Opener 'premise' in the world.

As I've said I've refined it quite a bit since the original post, but I'll leave the basic skeleton above and I encourage people to keep posting on how they would make it better in their own opinion.

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PostPosted: Sat May 11, 2013 8:07 am 
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I really don't like this.

It's so obvious. As soon as she knows you are a psychologist it's almost manipulative.

If you are into psychology, that's great and super interesting. Girls eat psychological theories up like candy. You could basically just say, "hi, want to know something I learned in my psycho class" (see if she catches you calling psycho).

Then tell her about some interesting theory, best if it involves a lot of sexual references.

Use your extensive knowledge and ESPECIALLY passion for the subject to establish yourself as an authority with her and open a sexual frame.

About your opener, after you try it, stop and tell the girl you are doing an experiment for class, tell her this was just a line and then ask her to give her rating of it (effective, strange, ineffective, turn off, etc). Then post back and let us know what women think of it. :)


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Your really skilled at making openers. This is really good, keep up the good work!

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PostPosted: Tue May 14, 2013 4:24 am 
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Honestly I like the structure you used as well as the undertones and I can see that it would work as an opener but I would personally use a separate opener and use that to build rapport. I feel like they will get it pretty quick that way that you are talking about yourself. Also some people associate negative feelings with psychologists and I would be worried that you would shut her down early that way.

Don't get me wrong brother everyone has their own twists and tricks. Who knows with a certain attitude and the right smile it might work 10/10.


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