I'm very new to this and was batting some ideas around my head yesterday. Feel free to critique/change if you'd like.

At a bar/club: If the girl you're interested in is drinking a beer, say to her "You know that beer in brown bottles tastes better than beer in green bottles?" (which is true...the brown bottles let in less light, and prevent skunking).

At a coffee shop: "What's the difference between Splenda and Sweet and Low?"
(I think this second one is weak as hell, but I was trying to figure out a line you could use over at the milk/sugar area at a Starbucks or something. Feel free to add/change.)

Ordy,

I admire your creativity but if you ask a girl that in a bar or club that is going to be a problem. I can see you starting a generic conversation but you might have a hard time with girls putting up their shields and here is why.

When you walk up to a girl in a bar or club to ask her a question like that she wonders why you are asking her. Even though your opener might be indirect and not showing interest, your action of ignoring other people and approaching her tells her different. She will know you are hitting on her, so you might as well go in with something that is direct.

AFC Adam does a great job of explaining how this works in one of his videos, check this out you'll see where I am coming from.

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When thinking about openers you have to be concious of what your actions are going to be when you are out. If you are just walking up to a few girls and using an opener she knows you are hitting on her. If you are talking to everyone then you can be indirect because she can't call you out on only talking to her.

Hope this helps,

Jon

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Well I think I've seen some mPUAs somewhere say that it's not what you say, it's how you say it. So you could open with anything with the proper body language / voice tone / attitude. So you moght want to go out there and try them out.

However, those seem very AFCish and very non responsive. They will most likely answer with a short answer (Yes/No/Sweet and low is natural... btw I have no clue about the difference between both) and not feel need to continue the conversation. That's why opinion openers work well. It makes them think and commit a bit more to the answer.

Now I don't want you to shoot towards canned material and think that you creating your own material is great. But try to make it so that she get's interested. I could see you going for the Sweet and low / Splenda opener but make sure you have a reason WHY you are asking her and be ready to stack.

Something like this might be a bit better: " Hey you seem like a knowledgeable person in the coffee department. Do you know the difference between Splenda and Sweet and Low? "

But then again, what will you say after the Yes/No/Spenda is natural /IDK reaponse?

Even better I would go for
Ordy: Hey you seem like a knowledgeable person in the coffee department. Would you recommend me to add Splenda or Sweet and Low in my coffee? "
HB: Whatever
Ordy: Sounds reasonable, thanks * Pour Honney in your cup *

That might get a bit of a reaction going.

TheJ,

I completely agree if you ask a question you are going to get a Yes/No/Maybe type of short response because the question is closed in its nature. You can go over and talk to her about that but it's going to be a short conversation. Once that runs dry very quickly, and it will you are going to have figure out where to transition from there to talk about something else.

Also, I agree that it doesn't matter much what you say when you open. To prove this me and a friend of mine went out a few nights and opened every set we saw by walking up and saying only "Frozen Turkey." Why? Just because it was stupid and would be totally out of place in a club. We couldn't open with anything else but we could transition after that.

What we found was as long as your body language was in good form it didn't matter. As it says in the movie Hitch 90% of what you say doesn't come out of your moth. 65% comes from you body language. 25% comes from your verbal pace, tone, inflection, etc. Ever heard a girl say when she's upset with you, "It's not what you said it's how you said it?" Women are more sensitive to this than men, but they are better socially calibrated too. So that last 10% doesn't matter that much if the other is good!

Jon

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JSmooth,

Can I have a quick opiniion on you.. (I Am not hittinh on you, case you think I am)

I am dstruggling with this question for a while now. How many nights a week should I game in order to become very very excellent in this.. I mean in combination with my study I can go out 2 days a week most... Is this good enough?

thankss,

Jas

Seb1989,

There is a lot of talk about this on the forums. Speaking from my own experience I was going out 3-4 nights a week for about 6 months before I got really really fluid with the Mystery Method and routines. Then it was another few months of fine tuning what I knew to be really good.

The more you go out obviously the more experience you gain and the shorter the learning curve is. The less you go out...well you can figure it out. It also comes down to what you do while you are out. How many people you open, if you push the interaction as far as it will go, experiment with different techniques, etc. It's not so much quantity as it is quality of what you do.

I know the same is true of most gurus in that there was a period of months or even a year that they were going out non-stop 3-5 nights a week in order to help them get better. There is no set amount for a key to success. If all you can do is go out 2 nights a week then that's cool. While you are out approach, take the interaction as FAR AS YOU CAN! Do not eject and hang out going as far through Attraction, Comfort, or Seduction as you can before she leaves. Then when you're done, find someone else and repeat!

No one really sits us down and tells us how long it can take to get better with this stuff but they should. Hope this answers your question.

Jon

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I have to agree with Jsmooth and theJ (that's kinda weird). I just saw a video with Savoy talking about how you can open with anything as long as you transition it well. I might change the first one to something like:

"Hey me and my friend are having an argument (always point to your friend, even if you came a lone). Which tastes better, beer in brown bottles or in green bottles?" Then let her answer and then tell her about the skunking thing. If she gives that "who cares" look, then neg her with something like:

"But you probably knew that. You seem smart, for a blonde/brunette/girl/whatever". Or something. Then, maybe a little later, i'd come back with: "So i'll take a beer in a brown bottle whenever you want to buy me one."

Yes You answered my question good, thanks.

I think about it as a muscle. To become stronger and make it grow you should train at least 3 times a week and push it very hard. So it does make sense indeed.

I know It is not the circumstances which are important, but My parents really have a hold on me. Tehy just dont think it is right to go out each way, because of my study. But I really really want to become a master at this... I am progressing very much now.. first I suffered of AA and now I even kiss- and numer close every night I go out. So it would really be a waste to not continue this, because of this progress.. I thought about going living on my own with a good friend of mine. He is into gaming as well. I am only twenty years old. My goal is to become a master at this at the age of 25.

But what was the age at which you decided to really get better at this. I mean, I am thinking of moving my ass to england or america.. I want to go out 3-4 nights a week as well for a longer period. I think i am going to move in a year or two...
I really hate the fact my parents have a hold on me in this area :S..... What would your advice be?

thanksss,

Jas

I'm 18, started reading "The Game" about a two weeks a go (almost done!). I was never uncofortable being around women, I was just never really myself. But since i've started reading, I got my hands on pretty much any free information out there.

If you want to get better faster it is simple. Speak with more and more women. Everyone (as Jon pointed out) has different learning curves. Give yourself the best chance by actually going out and speaking with women. It does not matter where just speak with them. Do not get sucked into being a forum post junkie. There is no substitute for actually trying this stuff out. If you think you have a good opener or gambit for mid-game, anything; go field test it yourself. You will be surprised by the results.

JSmooth, the only reason I thought that one up is because I read on the master list of openers a bunch of similiar ones. I saw one like, "What's the difference between prawn and shrimp?" That seems like a very basic, informational question. I decided to follow in this direction, but I'll read up on this more.