OK - In real life at a bar I have no trouble getting into conversations, cell phone directories, girls mouths and pants. As Derek would say I got on True for shits and gigs - I have followed advice from Style on a killer online profile and De-Angelo. I have invented countless scripts and unique messages. I have gotten 2 emails out of likely 40 sent.

So at this point I dont care about meeting an HB. I want to pick your brains to find a statistically water tight method we can use to Hook , Bait , Reel and Number Close. I will implement your methods and update you on return results from your messages, profile tweaks, etc. Then we should be able to pin down what factors work / dont. I'll even take fake pics to test if looks make a difference who cares?

So: Where we are at: I have myself down as 27 with my profile pic. I'm described by girls as "cute" I dont know like a 6-7, but women are particular about tastes. My income is at 50K.

Heres my profile desc: I'm an ambitious, talented stud and know exactly what I want - like a girl who takes weird digital pics of herself ! As for me: I have brown eyes, brown hair in the winter. I'm 5'11" and 180 lbs with an athletic lean build - like the kicker of the football team, (hey we always get 3 points for ya so dont laugh! ) I'm well groomed and hope you are too- please shower every other day at least.

What I seek:Looking for trophy wives who are lonely and looking to exploit their rich husbands bank accounts and hedge funds. Also seeking Cirque De Solie members who want to start an acrobatic and pyrotechnic show directed by me. I will put the fire extinguisher on you if you fall from a high height and are burning.

ok made up that part....I'm seeking someone like me: funny, energetic, positive and who has a "carpe diem" attitude.

Now keep in mind I already used Styles "total asshole" route and my profile got less views. So I'll use and run stats on anything we plug in.

Again this will not amount to any IRL meetings - so I have nothing to gain - truly just for mass PUA future knowledge.

I'm unconvinced about online so far. it seems like a lot of effort to just get to meet someone in real life.

I think people should aim to morph it from online to offline within 3 mails or better less.

All mails should be short and sweet. I've followed Styles asshole route but toned it down for several reasons

1/ online agencies whatever are wising up to non face photo tricks
2/ some of the girls come across as more sensitive in their profiles. A few that I have got to know through emails have been incredibly hurt in the past.
3/ it seemed to work better

I always do a gentle neg re profile or picture. No pic I mention it. Any picture find something weird about it and neg it. The profile it is long say when are they going have time to fit you in. If it's short call them lazy or mysterious.
I use the 3 qualities question a lot really. just say you're a realist and want to meet in real life and accuse them of being a net fantasist a virtual tease.This sorts out the real ones from the fakes.

This maybe important I have tried to shift any POF stuff to my normal email/chat, as it's more flexible. I wonder if staying within POF proves any better

OK my stats from POF site.

109 messages sent
31 read
My profile viewed by 22
I lost the stats for incoming messages. I'm fairly certain it is 6. several polite rejections
Girls/women met 1
Time spent on POF ... too much

yeah im thinkn online sarging doesnt work

Not sure if all the women on TRUE are fake or golddiggers (up my income to 100k?) but a side diversion - here is what I did to get 9 responses today (2 HB's) and my template reply got a 8/9 reply back rate:

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Reply if you aren't a spambot - 27

Just reply if you exist in the real physical world as a woman. If you reply and give me an original reply that isn't canned telling me to go to an adult dating website then I will know real people are on this site. Right now I'm convinced theres just 100 people who post everywhere under different identities to route you to their sites. I'm completely serious. As a bonus if you reply to me, I promise to reply back - even if you're crazy, needy, jealous, twenty pounds past "average" or disfigured by a bodily injury. I will not reply to midgets. JK I love midgets too!

>the above was only done to probe for real people, so maybe it should be adjusted for meeting HBs. The tonality is desperate humor, but I feel the opener vindicates as though I do them a bonus favor by contact.

So now 9 reply back - I give a canned response they all eat it up: (3 quality variant with a DHV opener) This illicited 8/9 REAL replies.

Hey []…aka super spambot??

Well my posting didn’t say too much about me other than the fact that I am real. I’m confident, funny, usually smiling, well groomed and connect with people on a personal level. Like my picture, I’m 5’11 with brown hair and the brown eyes. My ears do stick out a little but your nose probably wiggles when you laugh. Seriously it does, doesn’t it? That’s ok I do not hate on the nose wiggle girls. Am I making it wiggle yet? Oh well, had to try to inject humor.

Anyway; you should see by now I’m funny, connect well and am a very grounded person, if you don’t, see that I can give you some reading lessons or will provide very cheap tutoring on the weekends  I was going to tell you about my job but you haven’t told me much about you other than []. So how about this: I don’t want the same “interrogation” / interview boring screening routine where I get your job, age, ethnicity, religion. Tell me instead the three things that make you great and whether you would date Joe Mauer or Tom Brady it will say lots about who you are. Pics are worth double bonus points too. If I like what I hear, I swear to send you a much better picture of me and I’ll truthfully answer any question you throw at me. Just one though!

-Gabe


Why this works on CL and not TRUE I dont know. Maybe I'll stick this on TRue and see what happens. The club or mall is so much better.

online sarging absolutely works. i f-closed two people online, before i even found out proper PUA procedure to do it in. 2nd f-close unfortunately turned into a 4 month relationship. If you're sitting on your ass in front of your computer anyways, like i am, why not?

Great post.I like it and it reads like a story too.I will give my spin on it a try

I'm currently using POF, first time I've ever used an actual dating site. So far I'm 1/1 (mainly because lack of competition in my area).

What I usually use, be it POF, FB, or Myspace in the subject line to start with is "Insert something witty here". I've gotten quite a few good responses with this one.

-Just my two cents.

Hi KraziEyez,

yeah thats a good subject line. Innuendo. Probably cock and funny. I'll have to try that one

thx