read her profile and ask a simple fucking question.
"where do you work"
"what inspired you to write a novel"
if she doesn't respond. send another one elaborating, answering, or getting more to the point for her with a .
"do you get much free time with work? "
"perhaps you wanted to change someones life? how's that going? "

if you can see that she read or viewed your profile then go ahead and send the next message. if not wait a day or two. also if it shows who viewed you then view the girl as much as you want. it only helps. tested. 90% lay.

This isn't very helpful.

You explained how to open, but what about after she responds?

I personally have no trouble getting women to read and respond to my messages, but then I get no response back as soon as I get down to business (either go direct and straight out tell her that I want to meet up or go indirect and flirt around).

More on getting from first response to a first date would be more helpful to us newbies.

90% success rate?

well i don't want to share my entire personality on here. the point is to be down to earth. don't try to be funny or entertaining, it's what every other guy does. you want to impress her, but make it about her not about you.

Most guys try to hard and try to impress her. Besides have you seen what most guys send as the first message?

yeah. i made a fake profile. they all compliment her, talk about themselves, and instead of starting a conversation they just say i hope you message back or get back to me if you're interested. or they'll just make some stupid sarcastic joke or comment that doesn't start a conversation.

impress her by making her feel good, making her laugh, taking interest in her life. not by talking about yourself and making pointless jokes or comments. like i said make it about her. i know the pua stuff says to have the mind set of not impressing her, but that would just be denial, and make you a shifty validation seeking wuss. it's to have the confidence to know you can make her feel good no matter what it makes you look like. of course you want to impress her. that's why you're here. duh. it's a primitive drive to want to have people like you. it will never go away. you don't want it to. psh "have a i don't give a shit attitude" b.s. what a great way to fill you with anxiety and make an unconfident, unsocial, bitch.

I always thought it was best to strive for a balance but at the same time to go with the flow of the conversation. I am not saying not to ask her about her self, but you also don't want to interview her as well. As far as making pointless jokes/comments goes I find such things to be part of the "dance". Not saying I use it all the time, but I find humor and chit chat works quite well online as good online game is brief and short so that you can meet in person as that is the goal right?
You are right we want people to accept us in general. Tho I found trying to impress people tends to not work, yes we naturally want to but there is a difference of doing it naturally verses doing it naturally and letting people see who we are.
I don't think you get what that means. Such an attitude it more dealing with people that care more of how others view them. You talk about how we want others to like us and what have you well there are those that very much care of how others like us and how they view us a bit too much you can say. This view/attitude is more to deal with that as not everyone is going to like you that is a fact. Your not going to win over every girl which is why I very much question your 90% success rate. Besides the more you care about what others think of you the less of a backbone you will have and the more you want to "serve" others so that they will like you. Not giving a shit does the opposite as long as you don't take it too far.

i dont know, this sounds too... creepish. like, what you doing reading THAT into her profile, and the first message you are going to send is like "hey, where do you work" or "do you wanna change careers" or whatever the hell you said. That isn't going to attract a female. that's just going to make them think you are a creep who just reads random chick's internet profile.

Idk.. woman don't like being pestered. Usually if there is no attraction to begin with it will be a difficult pickup... I don't even bother. IMO getting a shit test even shows interest, not messaging back is a tough sale.

I've twice messaged a women who didn't message me back. 1st I did get a number, but she flaked on a day 2. The second never responded to my third message.

Not impossible, but just saying, when there is no initial attraction pickup is difficult at best.


But reading the profile is a must! Probably 75% of the dates of got with > hb7 have been by using something from their profile, and not a canned opener.

Yes okay, i understand a lot of what you are saying and i guess i do that to. my point is to take interest, you can never show to much interest. that's what i mean by it being about her. yeah don't impress her by making talking about yourself or showing off is true. don't make it about you.

But it's the whole don't give a shit thing. i mean it's not that i don't give a shit it's just that i'm confident that i'm deserving of her and that makes me confident that i'm able to show as much interest as i want, i don't feel like i need to do things to make myself look good, but i enjoy doing things that make her feel good. so that's why i don't believe in not giving a shit, i think these self help gurus are giving a lot of people the wrong impression, by accident or on purpose. yeah it's easy to look at someone successful and say "he doesn't give a shit" but he does. he put a lot of effort into it, got familiar with it, and now has the confidence to know what he's doing. he still gives a shit, it's just that he knows what hes doing so he doesn't look worried.

look the more you show interest the more a girl likes it. the point is knowing what your doing to seduce her. she want's to know you have the confidence to not feel like you're creeping her out. complementing her on her looks actually could be alright if you have the social skills to follow, except there are inappropriate times to do so, so it's better to just to not do it. just sympathies with what's going on in her life and get to know her, like you're taking care of her. i do the same thing in real life. it feels so good. initiate the conversation, plan how to get together with her again. she'll fucking love it.

I've given girls up to five messages, looked at her profile multiple times, and finally had her talking to me and responding well (while still checking out her profile multiple times, and i notice i always get better responses when i do this) to the point were we met. im not going to lie, some lays took months, i don't even care though, i just like making girls feel good, it's the whole point. she doesn't care if you like her for her personality, she wants you to be drooling over her looks the most, she's attracted to that. she want's to know that you know how to treat a women and how to... hmmm "make a move" if you will.

You can, but its best done in moderation.
I agree with you on that note.

Wrong. You can show to much interest in a girl, in turn scaring her away, especially when it comes to online game as they girl doesn't know you and the last thing she wants is some creep that is all wrapped up into her and is clingy and what have you. Girls more like it when you show interest but hold back. Basically a lot of girls like a chase.
That seems a bit stakerish, and putting in a lot of effort into this. But that is just me.
Depending on her age she may want that more than you like her for her. But this more applies to girls 25 and under. Older girls tend to want you to like them for more than their looks.

well it works for me