40 and you've basically never had sex. damn bro

Thanks for the backhanded insults and shaming language, but that's to be expected from the PUA community, which gets its jollies by ganging up on men like me.

I resent, and find it deeply offensive that you think that's it's all my fault that I find myself challenged by dating, when you have never met me, know what I look like, and or know me personally. For your information up until the last few years I did lead an active social life where I did attempt to meet women, but was met with a barrage of instant rejection, so please don't accuse me of having a bad or dysfunctional personality because how is a woman supposed to know the real me, when she doesn't even give me a chance? Also, I took all the cliched advice dispensed by society, relatives, women, and regrettably some of it from the PUA industry, none of which worked, so you can't accuse me of not trying different methods. I am not making excuses, I am being honest, and knowing my limitations as a man, and the worse thing a man can do, is to lie to himself, and pretend to be something or someone he is not.

And what also makes me angry is when the PUAs and other people blame me for my cursed luck with women, is that I am "damned if I do", and "damned if I don't", which means if I try to meet women and get rejected, you call me a loser, chode, AFC etc, but if I give up, you still call me a loser. When will you PUAs realise that when a woman saids no, she actually means no, what part of the no word don't you understand?, the n or the o?

You PUAs also have to understand that as man I have no control on how a woman reacts to me, or whether she is atttracted to me, at the end of the day, it's her choice, as women are the choosers and they are the sole gatekeepers of relationships and sex. Of course there things as a man you do have control over, eg. your hygiene, your dress sense, your physique and fitness and of obviously your own behaviour.

If the PUA was actually serious about helping dating challenged men, instead of insiulting them and making false assumptions (like you have about me), offer these men constructive and supportive advice, instead of making empty promises and ganging up on them.

I am 43, and no I am not a virgin, but virtually all the sex I have had, has been with hookers. It's not something I am proud of, but I was left with no other option.

Believe me, there are many men like me who find themselves challenged by dating, and no we don't smell, look like the Elephant man or have bad breath.

Like I said before, you good looking guys (you are a male model), simply don't understand the power your looks give you in the dating game, and simply can't empathise for men like me who lost out in the genetics lottery.

If i were you Master yoda I would then accept your fate. Accept you will not meet women and that women dont want you. then go and do something you enjoy instead of talking about something you cant or dont want to change.

discussing this subjecct on a pua forum is like a vegetarian discussing their dislike of beef or why it disagrees with them on a burger king enthusiast's forum.

At last someone here speaks some sense, I do want to meet women, but they are only interested in good looking alpha males and douchebags, so that rules out ugly men like me. Why invest vast sums of money and energy into a totally futille task.

This will be my last post here, and I will probably get banned, but I don't give a shit because I can prove I am right. I know the whole PUA industry and community is one big fucking fraud and scam that targets lonely men, ugly men with false promises that they will bang HB10'S every night of the week if they spend $3,000 on this bootcamp or $500 on these Mystery Method DVDs.

Fortunately I never wasted any money on PUA junk, and I am glad I didn't because I'd feel more like a jerk. The fact is we live in shallow and superficial world where women value looks and or money over other qualities.

You can shame and blame me all you want, I don't give a flying fuck, because you brainwashed PUAs simply can't grasp the simple concept that if a woman is not physically attracted to you, then it's GAME OVER, and no amount of PUA quackery, confidence or any other of that new age pop-positivity is going to change the outcome.

I'll stick with hookers, no games, no time wasting, and 100% chance at getting laid.

end of rant and au revoir.

just for your information. i happen to be a very good looking guy. great personality too. i havent slept with a woman since 2009. not because i dont want to either.

i take full responsibility for this. but i'm taking steps to improve my inner game. without inner game, you're toast.

Mystery method DVDs of course...

Or:
They ar interested in good looking guys AND average guys like you

maybe it seems somewhat insulting to you, but jurupa is really just being honest here, most of the guys that get into pua are either doing much worse with women then they wish, or doing well with women and want to figure out a better way to manage the women in their lives as well as bring new women into their lives

it's not about the methods, it's about the confidence you gain from practice, it's about intuitively beginning the competently recognize the social do's and don'ts just from experience, it's about feeling natural touching, it's about reading peoples body language properly, it's about rewarding/withdrawing for behavior in a productive manner that actually encourages the behavior you want to see, it's about actually believing and knowing on a deep level that you are good enough to get girls, it's about cutting away at that neediness inside you until you are a more giving positive fun to be around person that creates a good vibe rather then kills one

confidence is from moment to moment, it is just certainty in something, there is no relation between knowing you will reach a positive outcome while doing a task and being confident, you can just as easily be confident of failure, or confident that you will become hurt if you jump off the roof of your house, when you can start to trust yourself and trust that you are good enough for girls, you can go speak to them with more confidence from each passing moment, it is not the ''courage'' and it is not being outcome dependent with disillusions of success attached to that outcome, it can be summed up as simply knowing what you are looking for, and knowing how you intend to find what you are looking for

^that ability in it's self, just to be certain of what you are doing, when you are doing it, that ability to express yourself with total belief, totally rock solid centered clear view of who you are, that is what will start to help you get results with women, but until you can think proactively and actually focus on your goals at hand without regards to outcome or validation, you will have trouble

going up to a group of girls, saying something with some courage, but not being sure of what you are doing, is not confident, talking to a bunch of girls open fine then as soon as you see a negative or positive reactions you start to believe in yourself less or more as a result, this is not very self confident

when it is about self confidence, it is not about getting the girl, or not getting the girl, knowing you will get the girl, or not knowing you will get the girl, no, stressing about this is needy, confidence is knowing what you are doing, and self confidence is being sure of yourself, if you are sure you are going to fuck that girl, cool, you are confident about it, if you are sure you are not going to fuck that girl, cool, you are confident about that, if you are sure you are master yoda, the ugly 40 year old who absolutely can not get girls, then you are confident about that, it congruently lines up with your own beliefs and everything that happens to you, you will rationalize in a way to support your beliefs, women are not the same as men, looks are not as highly valued by women as they are by men, you obviously have alot of reference experience that helps you generate a belief that you are not good looking enough, or at least enough of a negative reference experience that it has prevented you from ''re-traumatizing'' yourself

the problem here is look man, I have field tested both, and what you describe is very real to me, when I started trying to meet women through cold approach, I would have given my looks a rating of 4/10 at most, and that is being generous, bad hygiene, bad grooming, bordering on obese, bad body language, when I started going out I was learning with my two buddies, the guy who got me into this lets call him P, is a solid 8/10, really good looking guy, ripped, about 5'11 white smile, and then my best friend, lets call him M, M is probably a 9/10, 6'2, around 180lbs, ripped, and even better looking then P, he was approached by a modeling agency scout when he was 17

now both P and M due to their good looks have never had a problem with girls at all, P got into pua because he wanted to figure out a way to have sex with new girls every week and then manage them, and M, M never got into pickup and still doesn't care about it at all he just doesn't really do or say anything special and always has a few choices to sleep with that will require no effort from his end, so it has sort of made him jaded to the idea of putting in effort for something he can get just because he owns a facebook account


so how is this ^ relevant?, well when I started going out with P and M, all three of us did the mystery method, it was easy, all three of us used the drug dealer/mustache opener, all three of us were following up with either best friends test, smart/hot/rich girl, or random mini cold reads, then the goal was just get the girl alone do the cube and ask her if she wants to kiss

how did the first night go?, total AA, I still remember I spilled my drink on the floor when I opened my first set cause I was so nervous my hands were really shaking, 8 drinks later, me and M had opened just about the whole club, P already found a girl that was interested in making out with him, up until this point M who is my best looking friend but not the most confident had spoken to and successfully hooked just about every group we had stopped to talk with, alot of girls asking him questions and trying for rapport with him, he had been just randomly approached by two different girls, and had gotten 3 phone numbers, myself on the other hand, had gotten ignored by just about every single group of girls, I had done most of the opening because M is too shy, and out of talking to a good 20+ groups of girls in the club I probably managed to get one girl to talk to me longer then 2 minutes and if I remember correctly she was just talking to me to be nice and fill an awkward silence while her friend eagerly was talking to M,

after a few months of this, my friends still routinely were going out to the same club on fri/sat and P was clubbing several times a week, as I had my choice either stay home and have a shit weekend or go clubbing and see my friends, I obviously choose to keep clubbing, hitting on girls for the first bit seemed painful and I honestly did not really enjoy it, it just seemed like a whole lot of pointless, painful rejection to me, but since M needed a wing man, I would just suck it up and open for him, eventually we made a drinking game we call wing man, this really helped me get over being rejected, and after being shit on by a good 1000 women, it really starts to just become one big giant joke, who cares what some random chick thinks about you? I mean I guess it sort of matters in the sense she could call the police on you if you do something illegal or possibly she could have you murdered or something, but realistically girls can't really do anything to you at all, you can more or less say or do pretty close anything and most of the time get away with it, with little to no negative repercussions, eventually it just became about talking to more and more girls, I more or less just assumed at first that I was going to fail no matter what, but since M was there and needed someone to have fun and drink with, I really had no other choice, eventually I fucked a couple girls that were way ''out of my league'', and along the way have picked up on alot of things about women, they are different then us, more sensative, more timid in nature, they basically speak their own convert language, getting the practise and experience to get to the point where you can just be your confident self and be comfortable around women only comes from effort

now where is the point to ^ this story?, well fast forward almost three years later, I have lost about 100lbs since that first cold approach I ever did and am closing in to 8% bf very closely (6ft, 174lbs), I have improved my appearance from what I would judge as a 4/10 to a 7/10, I get way more attention from girls, they are usually more friendly in general, but then when it comes to hitting on them... what exactly have I noticed?

not very much to be honest, girls tend to be a bit more friendly when you open them, and sometimes girls randomly open you, you tend to get more compliance from a larger number of girls, so overall realistically all that has changed is it takes talking to less girls on average, for one to be interested in sleeping with me (more compliance on average), other then that, pretty much the same, some girls likes you, some girls dis-like you, some girls are indifferent

that is all, last year before I got into the relationship I am in, it was still all the same, lots of girls rejected me, lots of girls seemed interested but in the end not interested, still more no's then yes's, girls didn't magically all want to hop on my dick, yes becoming more fit gets you better results, yes looks matter, but it is subjective, and no matter what you look like, you seeing NO results, as in 0 results, is your own fault, no one else is to blame but you, 0 results is often a sign of inaction or a lack of motivation or effort to complete a task at hand

good looks will get you interest, you have to be able to capitalize on the interest or the looks won't help you, good looks won't fix the fear of approach, and good looks won't fix the fear of rejection

get over ^ both, and you will have to power to do better then 90% of the guys in the world, you are only limited by your self

and in summation, you can get 20 approaches a day done relatively easily, and the only variable your ''looks''change is the amount of women you have to screen for physical interest before hand, that is all, you walk up, she is non-compliant and dismissive with negative bodylanguage and won't hook?, oh well onto the next one, at least she made it obvious fast so you won't waste time, just talking to more girls, guaranteed you will find a friendly one eventually and she will want to suck your dick

after that once you know you picked up a girl from a cold approach, all of a sudden your belief regarding yourself, cold approach, and entitlement may change, and instead of repeating ''I'M TOO UGLY TO GET GIRLS SO I SHOULDN'T DO AN APPROACH'' over and over in your head, you will probably be thinking something more along the lines of ''TALKING TO GIRLS IS FUCKING AWESOME, DURR I LOVE THIS''

also never be ashamed of being rejected, you are not a loser for stepping up to the plate and striking out, your just a player that had a bad run, the real losers sit out of the game and never even try to take a swing, just don't give up man, you can improve, don't listen to these excuses in your mind for why you can't, you absolutely can, and the more you DO, the better you get at DOing, but you have to be reasonable with your expectations

even Paul Janka, a model good looking pua, who is harvard educated and has over 10 years of experience picking up girls through cold approach, has slept with over 100 different women, claims that he only has sex with 11% of the girls he gets phone numbers from

just keep trying and don't give up, pickup is really simple, that doesn't mean it is easy, you just have to keep giving it your effort and maintain discipline

GOOD LUCK

First, joining this forum is free. You didn't pay a single cent.

Second, I spent some 30 minutes looking for that video that I remembered at the back of my mind when reading your thread. The video search, reading, and then writing the short post took some one hour more or less. Others here probably took some 30 minutes to one hour also to help you.

Look. For my long posts or threads, I spend some one hour to two hours writing each post to help 50 to 80 regular readers. You're just one guy. And I spent that much time on you to make you realize that you can solve your problem.

If you would put a dollar value on the inputs of each experienced PUAs here and disregard the trolls, you have easily gotten some 40 to 50 hours worth of time. Multiply that with the US minimum wage at $7.50 and that's around $300 to $375 of free expert advice.

Third, here's a PUA guide that you can take for free in this forum: esp-model-of-escalation-vt97891.html

It's for these kinds of free information that motivates me to contribute my share to this community. I highly recommend it to you because:

• 1. You solve the problem of information overload. It's so simplified, direct to the point, and the process steps are few.
  
  2. It has solid scientific grounding.
  
  3. It works.

Fourth, men are visual creatures. We are more visual than women. What attracts women is testosterone. Good looks is just part of the evidence that you have high testosterone. Good genes = good levels of testosterone

In addition to the free PUA material, I've linked for you, add this scientifically grounded techniques to your sarging:

• Step 1. Wear a blood red shirt. There's a science to this. It will increase your sexual attractiveness by 33% to as much as +70%.
  
  Step 2. Eye fuck the woman that you're going to approach. Again, there's a science to this. It will increase your sexual attractiveness by at least +60%.
  
  Step 3. Say this opener, "Hi. I'm Chinese. I'm new to this place. Can you help me find Chinatown?"

Discussion of Results

Sarge 20 women each day for 10 straight days using Warped Mindless' ESP Escalation Model and my opener. Personally, I sarge 5 to 8 new women daily. Why do you have to sarge more women than I do? You'll have to exert more effort because I'm better looking than you.

If 6 out of 20 women smile or giggle at your opener, that's 30% dude, you're good. If 2 out of 20 women play punch you or tap you in the arm after you said your opener, that means you can fuck close 10% of the women you sarge daily provided that you learn all of the necessary steps towards the fuck close. It takes skill to get to the fuck close. You can only develop your skill with hard work, lots of experience, lots of analysis and calibration, and lots of positive thinking.

Finally, before you go out to sarge, watch a Mr. Bean movie so you'll erase all of the negative vibe that you have.

All of these are for free, so no more of that we're scamming you excuse. You know deep in your heart that, that's a BIG BULLSHIT excuse because what you got here are FREE.

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Dude you did not understand, i had a false belief system(i used to think i was ugly), then the actor came along(years after that belief), then i confirm my false belief...

There are 2 ways to look at this, i am telling you, you have inner belief, false reality issues, 2 ways to look at things:

1.- I am getting rejected cause i am an arab, women do not like arabs..

2.- How can they reject me when they do not know me as a person, i need to adjust my game and/or presentation...

Finally if you are going bold, either Shave your head completely(women like this)

or get implants

I would shave my head completely...

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^ that is a bunch of bs dude, i am telling, can you please please please, no pua book, read the book psycho-cybernetics...

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^ see i have been Join the community 1.5 years ago, i have not been able to encounter any of that, on the contrary as a natural, the community had made me break down and understand social interactions, is super entertaining, and had made a lot of friendships, you have so much negative stuff dude, is not even funny women do not like negative dudes, WOMEN WILL feel what you feel if you approach with the mindset i am hideous, i am arab, the only way i get laid is to pay for hookers, you can be Bratt Pitt you will never hook up..

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Master Yoda is just looking for a pat on the back. It's like a guy who calls somebody to tell them he's going to kill himself, he doesnt really want to do it, he just wants someone to talk him out of it and prove his worth to him.

He's arguing here cause deep inside he wants to believe it, he's just not convinced.

Sometimes it takes alot of transformation to start getting women, other times it doesnt take much at all.

if your ugly, there still has to be something you can do to be less ugly. Change your hair, get your teeth fixed and whitened. Ud be amazed what a white smile can do for your prospects.

Then there is getting in shape and learning how to talk to women.

It's not an overnight fix. A few lines are not going to do anything. You have to be something women want, your job is to figure out how to do that.

Remember one woman, is more than you have had already. so you can only improve from there.

Just set realistic goals. Talk to any woman who will talk to you and make small leaps until you get more confident.

Or show us a picture of yourself, we'll tell you how dire your situation is.