^ Listen I work in the legal/financial field, see when we make accusation we have to provide "Proof and facts"... You are cold reading and flaming Mr. Kasabi. By the way have you seen your posts, see how i write and post is understandable. The way your write is not "the norm" in the real world, if you talk the way you talk to women you are done. But hey! you would not know that no matter how many times i try explaining that to you. Communication is very little verbal 10%, what matters is the sub communication. What is original about you, what are you insights on game??? Where are you ORIGINAL contributions to the community, other than flaming which shows weakness. See mr. Kasabi once you were popular and you had a following, now you don't. Time to move on is ok....
I don't care if you are putting me down or not, it does not affect me, you are just hijacking this post and i do have a problem with that. I stop name calling when i was 21... This is not an education forum, this is a getting laid forum/seduction forum, how many times do we have to explain that to you. Maybe you have comprehension problems and you do not understand what a seduction forum is all about, and maybe you should go back and review the rules. I notice in another post, you did follow my advise and read "How to win friends and influence people" time to review it again.
You think I am a nice guy(wrong), if i am uneducated how come I have ran about 4 successful businesses, got a finance degree from Fiu in biz/finance, wrote a book, youtube channel etc... By the way i regret going to college that time i could have been making money... And what does all that shit has to do with seduction.

I like you too, but you are out of line, and again i am not a nice guy. About the clip i was trying to make a point on how you come across.
^ Making mockery of yourself gets you laid (self-deprecation), i do it a lot, along with self-amusement, works for me, and a lot of seducers.... See women having fun trumps everything....

About making money, there is nothing wrong with a dude trying to make money with seduction Kasabi, people have the choice of buying a product or not buying a product. People also have the choice to take a refund.

Guys seeking advise have the choice to follow the advise of a particular poster or not. There are many seducers and all type of different styles. There is no a monopoly in seduction.

If sexaddict911 or me, or whoever has a view on seduction and is retarded. BEST THING TO DO IS TO FIELD TEST OR IGNORE. In case they buy a product and it sucks, just get a refund. I have a 100% refund policy on my books, so far no one has decided to get a refund. So far i have not pull a gun for anybody to buy my shit...

Since you love talking about biz life, college and all that irrelevant crap, I would have change my 5 years of a BA for being in the field(selling) and opening more businesses, here:


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8kZg_ALxEz0[/youtube]

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I've seen kasabi's posts on here, and he has provided me with some excellent view points that I myself could not see. His wisdom goes beyond pick-up. His advice is broad based and touches every single aspect of life. He backs up all his thoughts with personal experience and colourful analogies.

As for you, skills360, I know you provide great insight as well, but I must admit I cringe when the words "advice" and "advise" are confused.

Advice = noun
Advise = verb

By the way, I wouldn't boast about haven written a book. The way kasabi spaces out his ellipses, I wouldn't be surprised if he was a published author himself. kthxbai

Simple, if you cringe don't read my shit... I suck at spelling and grammar, and i probably will continue to suck at it, does not affect my income or my seductions or my following. I do understand some people are sensitive to spelling and grammar, if you are one of those people you are not my follower. Just like women looking for relationships are not my target demographic, but women looking for a lover..Part of my seduction story is my unavailability to speak English that force me to learn no verbal physical game(so is congruent).... I would advise to stop reading ANY of my post since you are sensitive to spelling, and Keep reading kasabi shit, that will get you laid, or make you a ceo and eloquent. No my stuff.

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I did sense 800 was an inflated #. I have friends, who've been at this for years and are fairly proficient, and all of them aren't even triple digits yet (but pretty close to it). I guess the only people who can possibly get that many women are celebrities who like variety, or naturals who exude tons of pheromones.

If I were forced to pick between the two, I’d pick indirect as it leaves more room to maneuver. In my opinion there is a time and a place for both. However! It is much more important to know “when” to use either one.

My own personal style of approach is 100% situational. Sometimes I’ll go ultra direct sometimes I will be the complete opposite, it really does come down to the target and the environment as well as any possible reads I may have obtained prior to the approach.( more on this later)

I’ve noticed a lot of emphasis put on approach through out this forum and although the right opener or sly remark can peek a targets interest and get you in the door, it really isn’t an important as most would think.

The approach should only be the means to gain your targets attention in order to commence your seduction attempt. Nothing else! The real pick up attempt has everything to do with the sub-communication between you and your target, reading the signs, making her comfortable and creating interest and attraction.


WHEN do I use INDIRECT OR DIRECT?

The recipe for me is quite simple, the colder the approach the less direct I am. The warmer the approach, the more direct.

INDIRECT


For example, if I am walking right up to a stranger on the street and we have had no sub-communication or eye contact and I had no chance to read her what’s so ever.( cold) I’d definitely go very indirect. Maybe and opinion opener, friendly banter, looking for directions or whatever comes to mind in that moment, all with the intention to warm her up ( no routine, purely situational) Im looking to utilize the time spent talking with her to gauge her potential interest and attraction, then act accordingly. (In the case of a cold approach, generally the more friendly, the more time you get, but not always) If the right signs are there, I will then begin to become more direct and escalate.

The thing you must keep in mind when approaching cold is the state of mind your target may be in, she could be busy, socially unavailable, have a boyfriend, be a man hater or have a huge shield up. Your job is to figure this out. The problem with going direct in this instance is that if she does have a shield up you could get blown out instantly and have no chance to work your game.

DIRECT

If my target is warm, or even hot I will be ultra direct.


Here is an example of what I have done to a warm target recently.

I was at a club, noticed a girl checking me out, within the next hour, she had given me multiple approach invites ( heavy eye contact, looking back at me as she walked by, coming into my perimeter hanging out near me. (very strong body language). To me this was a no brainer ( very warm) she was into me, I approached keeping eye contact the entire time got in close to her and said

Me: Hi ( in close about 6 inches away)
Hb: Hi, are you gonna take me to dance
Me: No I don’t like this song.
Me: You smell nice( put my nose close to the base of her jaw line and neck to smell her, “mmmm” as I placed my hand on the small of her back(
Hb: Thank you, so do you!
Me: My name is SA…( still holding my hand on the small of her back)
Her: I’m xxxxx
Me: You have a very sensual and naughty look to you, is that just a look?( heavy eye contact)
Her: haha, that’s for me to know and you to find out.
Me: What color panties are you wearing?
Her: black laced
Me: Damn! My favorite.
Me: I bet you and I could have lots of fun
Me: I’ll be back for that dance, don’t go anywhere beautiful.

Every aspect of this approach was direct, I may not have used a direct comment, but all my actions and words were stating my attraction and interest. All the signs were already there so I had no reason to not be direct. Attraction had out weighed comfort.

My(generalized)Transition- 1. Interest stated.
2. Flirtatious/cocky/sexual
3. Comfort/connection( re-assurance they have chosen the right guy to take home)
4. Sexual

There is a lot of people on this site that will swear by “ direct” approach and have success but in my opinion that style is much more of a numbers game with a high rejection potential (especially in a cold approach) and better suited to warm targets.

As for your question about the girl in the big city, on a stroll? Situation dictates an indirect approach, with emphasis on creating comfort before any seduction attempt. ( you’re in a big city, she’s alone and you are a stranger)


Let me know if you have any more questions regarding this topic

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No, it takes a psychotic with a compulsive disorder. . . I've known a few. That's the inherent comedy of this thread. The OP pulled a number out of the sky and wrote imagined feelings he associates with an imagined number... LOL ... he is the "conflicted pua". And he wrote in the first few pages of this fantasy thread that he does not and cannot pull ONS out of clubs because only 'celebrities' do this on a regular basis. So to make the numbers work, he needs to fuck the girls he met previously, then go out that night to find more girls he plans to fuck again in the future. . . and he actually went on to write down how he does all of this with imagined math. This thread should be locked and stickied as an example of what can become of delusional liars.

360,

Again, I think you're a nice guy but as you know, you're not too bright. What you claim as 'poor grammar' is a reflection of your intellect. Combine this with your poor level of comprehension and it's very difficult to believe that you have a career of any kind. Law? Are you kidding? You have trouble comprehending three sentences written by teenagers in common language. How could you ever read legal documents? Real estate? Do you mean to tell me that you actually read contracts? Comprehend amendments? You can't verbally communicate with chicks at night clubs and you mean to tell us that you communicate with banks regarding contracts and loan proposals? . . . Eh hem. . . and you're a 'writer'? Again, I like you and you strike me as a hard worker but I can't imagine where I'd ever place you. I'd be afraid that you'd confuse a request for an LOI as a request to scrub the toilets. (This is an anonymous forum filled with mostly teenagers. You can write what ever the hell you'd like, but it's really not that difficult to take one summer course at a local school. It will improve your life.)

Okay thanks for the tips, I have decided to discuss seduction from now on... If you can link me to an educational forum i would appreciate it, but again in this forum, i will only discuss seduction. When me and you get into discussion, is not fun, i do not enjoy putting anybody down including you (and i am really good at trolling)... But anyways, is there any seduction topic you wish to discuss??? Other than your hard on for sexaddict???


Back to the Op: Game recognizes game, whoever read the last sexaddict911 entry and still doubts, i don't know what to tell you. The idea that for a guy almost hitting 40, sleeping with 800+ women is difficult or impossible is hilarious... Any of you can do the same thing if you devote the time, most guys do not, they kind of find a girl and settle, it gets boring sleeping around after a while (but this dude chose this lifestyle). Warped Mindless is 21-22 he already fucked(350 girls, which is ironic, since he also doubts sexaddict), started at 17. Anyways just do the math guys... And if he did or not is irrelevant, as i said either his advise help you or not. By the way there are similar guys in the community and naturals with similar numbers(of course not in this forum), and no, they are not celebrities.. average of 3 girls a month is not hard to do...

By the way he breaks it down on detail how he does it here, again if after reading this link you doubt, you are NOT THERE YET, cause you guys can not relate(since you probably suck), does not mean is not true or even hard for that matter, here is the link:


sexaddict911-s-sex-cycle-vt125165.html

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I find this topic amusing. Models human nature at its finest.

There's a friend of mine who likes playing pool, and I told him I could pocket the 8 to the correct hole from 3 walls 8 times out of 10(which I can) he started doubting me instantly. He was subconciously offended that I'm better at something because he also considers himself good.

He started asking me stupid questions about pool to see if I was real. I answered them respectively. He disagreed on some of them because our style of play differs, and accused me of faking.

I told him I could prove it to him any time.

Next time we went out we chose a place where there was a pool table.

First I did what I promised, I pocketed the black 9 out of 10. He accused me of being lucky, and mocked me on how lame I hold the cue and then I told him if I were so lucky then come challenge me.

We agreed to play a game of 5 but had to leave after the 4th because they were closing, and we tied at 2-2.

He still refuses to believe we are at the same level and really, I stopped bothering.


If only people could open their eyes and realize there're much more ways to play this game well than there's to play it badly...

If only people would care more about the content of this topic, and the countless guys sexaddict helped(seriously... how many of them came back saying:"Hey, fucktard I tried what you told me and it backfired"?) and be not concerned with his lay count...

I rest my case on this one.

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Look back and you'll see that the "happy guys" are newbies who were given general pu copy/pastes . . . some ideas were copied directly from this very forum. The rest of the guys actually labeled the op a fucktard but I doubt anybody who's ever pulled more than 2 girls out of clubs would pace around clubs like a track star and stare women down while worrying about being caught in the act. . . just to try out the OP's 'style'. . . lol . . absolutely a retard show.

Do you really need to try to stick a firecracker up your ass to figure out that it's not a good idea?

Any how, enjoy the show.

I'm not going to try OP's style. It's his style, his game. Mine differs too much I would be far from congruent.

OP came here, and showed us his reality. How he percieves clubs, and women.

My reality is different. I could not fuck that much women without becoming empty. Having sex only gives me joy if I have some things different from just sexual attraction going on with a woman. Something that makes me curious about her. That's why I am successful because not only do I show sexual interest, I show a genuine interest in them as a person too.

But that's not how everyone rolls, and I still can't figure why you chose it as your heroic quest to bash on this guy.

You're pretty much the only one who still doubts that doing that many women is mathematically possible.
You says your reason is that he is not doing SNLs, and that he thinks SNLs are for celebrities only. Never has this been mentioned. He only said that taking a girl home on EVERY SINGLE night out is only for celebrities. Which still may not be true, but it's his reality. His style lacks SNLs. His game plan is not directed towards SNLs so it's obvious he would think that.

About his tactic going to clubs and checking girls down while worrying to be caught. If you had listened carefully to his method it clearly stated that he enters the set as a gentleman, and transitions into a badboy only when enough rapport has been built. A gentleman doesn't stare down women. He's never said he would be worrying either, but that if he gets caught he would not have so good chances with that woman.

About the firecracker thing... Your metaphore is irrelevant. There's no connection, it's completely out of context. A firecracker in my ass has nothing to do with pick-up. The dynamics and usability of such a simple object can not be used as a comparison for a complex thing like social dynamics. And you are distorting reality like I only have two choices(to shove it up my ass or to not).

About the copy/pasting. You have no proof. You mentioned things has been copy/pasted. You mentioned "look it up on google" but you have yet to write a post and show us exactly which post has been copy/pasted, and proove it that it was not his own idea. Until then, I'm not going to take this argument into consideration.

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^ this is very good, but I will clarify the snl, is not that he can not do snl, I think and I let him speak for himself that his choice is not to do snl, I have the same view... Remember guys, is preference, he does explain that if it presents to him, he will do the snl(totally agree)... The fact is and even the rsd people if you see the latest Alexander videos, Is that Snl with hot girls, I am not talking about left overs/low hanging fruit are not that usual in some demographics (if you are in Las Vegas etc..., of course easy).... Remember we are also talking about our target women market 24-28 in general.

Sexaddict can you please clarify the snl (warped mindless Is another one that seems to doubt you can do snl), Please clarify. I will see if I can find the "alexander" rsd video were he also agree snl not that frequent with HOT girls. We are not talking about dtf. If I go out an just focus on identifying and screening for dtf of course I can have snl. By the way there are many other gurus, typically older 35+ that share the same view of not going for snl.... DOES NOT MEAN WE CAN NOT DO IT. There is difference in preference vs ability.

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Can you please provide evidence, thanks in advance! if is true, I will jump on your bandwagon....

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When I was referring to my preference for day two’s over snl’s it was within the context of a sex cycle. But it is still my preference in general for night club game.

I much prefer to look for DTS (down to seduce) then DTF women. In my experience the grass is greener on the other side.


Don’t get me wrong, snl’s are great and ideal for a guy like me. I just don’t make it my game plan. If the opportunity is there I’ll definitely take it.

Here’s my views on both.

SNL

This is happening all the time at every club everywhere in the world, women and men are hooking up and fucking. Awesome! I’m not saying it’s impossible I’ve had lots. But you have to ask yourself, . Are they the majority? Hell no! In fact I’d say on a good night maybe 10% of the women in a club hook up for a snl.(may vary in other countries)

Ok so now we are down to about 10% women that are definitely DTF. Let’s say for argument purposes there is 40 DTF women in a club. 15 are very attractive, 15 are fuckable and 10 are not fuckable( or borderline) So out of that 40 you now have 30 potential desired snl’s. ( estimated)

You may be thinking well hey that leaves 30 potential take home targets, and if you are a good pua, you may be right. But here’s where the problem begins, if an attractive woman goes to a bar just to get laid, you better believe she has an exact idea of what type of man she wants to fuck and will most likely be the aggressor. She will be the one doing the pick up and it usually happens fast and before the end of the night.

Attractive horny women can have almost any man they want and when they want to get fucked(one nighter) it’s usually base purely on attraction and whom they select. If you’re not that guy, you’ll have your work cut out for you and may have to work very quick(depending on the level of attractive males) Hell even mediocre chicks can get a majority of men home in bed if they please. The later it gets, the less quality opportunity.


When I was younger all I ever did was go out for the snl. It was exciting as hell, a challenge with an instant reward and the more you got, the more you wanted. Instant validation! who wouldn’t want that? The problem was it wasn’t happening every time and I soon began to realize my desire for snl’s were affecting my game. I’d pass up on women that I had created attraction with and could of seduced for sure (day two) just because they were not available for the snl. Or I’d work that girl for a day two, then be seen working on another girl for the snl. ( as your body language is usually much more sexual when working an snl, it’s a lot easier to be noticed by others)


It didn’t take me long to realize how inefficient it was. Even when I did score the snl, I’d either stick with her the entire time we were there or leave with her earlier leaving no room to seduce any other women.


Day Two’s


The reason I prefer day two’s in a club setting. The vast majority of available targets in a night club are not there to get fucked. They’re there to get attention, flirt, dance, have fun, meet people and get drunk. They are usually in groups of friends and peers and odd’s are they will not go home with you that night, especially if they don’t want to look bad in front of others or are having a girls night.

That doesn’t mean they are not sexually available it just means they aren’t available to take home that night. In my experience, even the naughtiest of girls tend to hide that side from their social cliques.

Day two’s give you much more opportunity to seduce your target. Built comfort and attraction and paint a picture of your next encounter. Not only that, if you are looking to run up your numbers and have consistent sex, having warm targets to work on is certainly more efficient then trying for the snl.


If you have game you can easily make a connection with 3 targets in a night. If you have game, you can easily turn 1/3 into a day two. That leaves one hook up per night out and is essentially the same as getting and snl, just on another day. If you are good you can turn more then 1/3 into day two’s thus creating an even better average then if you went out 3 nights a week and had an snl. A majority of women meeting for a day two are in fact attracted and interested enough to be sexually available.

I’ve also found in my experience “day two’s” to be much more of a higher quality of women then the majority of my snl’s.


If I were to advise anyone that wishes to rack up their numbers and or have sex on a consistent basis I’d say, focus on getting good with setting up and closing day two’s. If you get good at that, you’ll be good enough when the snl is available, not always true the other way around.

It doesn't take a lot of skills to be sexually aggressive, but it does take skill to know exactly when to be.

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