OK, fellas here it is. Now I've officially 100% lost all my faith in this community, even that small amount I used to have.

I came here years ago, I entered the game full of aspirations, I learned, I studied, I read books, I watched seminars. Then I went out on the field and failed and failed and failed and failed. I learned on the "field". I learned that most of what I have learned is utter and complete bollocks. Neg theory? Bullshit. HB rating system? Useless. DHV? Bullcrap. All the shit RSD is teaching? Well, not only is it total nonsense, it was borderline sexual assault sometimes. NLP? A quick google search will reveal to you what came to me with experience and looking modern psychological theories up that it's pseudoscience. It just doesn't work, simple as that.

While I'd been doing this PUA shit I lost 2 wonderful girlfriends. Because I was a selfish prick. I never cared about them, eventhough I loved them very much, I just cared about myself. Because that's what they teach here. Be happy and then your gf will be happy as well, that's not how this shit works. I quit PUA 4 years ago, I just came here to share some stories, to read the very few topics that had some value. Shout out to neo in the relationship section and Patrick with his Centered Man Manifesto, you guys are great. You guys were the last bit of hope I had for this community. I am honestly in awe how you are able to not lose your patience here. Ever since I dropped this crap, my life turned out to be so much better. I've been with a great girl for over 3 happy years now. And let me tell you, there was 0 PUA involved. No bullshit tactics, no sneaky techniques. Not thinking about escalation ladder and closes and whatnot. Just normal human interactions, little bit of flirting and letting myself connect with someone on a deeper level. Looking at them as another person not as a "target" or a prey. Dropping my ego and stopping thinking I must talk to all women I find appealing and not going out of my way to do all kinds of weird and crazy shit, like stupid magic tricks and whatnot.

But the community doesn't listen. You want quick fixes, you overanalyse every smile, every word, every movement and keep complicating the most simple things ever. And the reason you are doing that is because you are insecure and because you were fed so much bullshit about this.

I'm done, and so should be you. Leave this pithole of neurotic morons and start working on your life and yourself as a person. That's the only way, trust me. I've tried the other way too, it's all shit. Get a hobby, do what you like, meet people. Nice people are everywhere. It's outright impossible that if you have a decent life with plans and aspirations, are a respectful, open minded and intelligent person, and pay attention to your health, your style and your personal hygiene that you won't eventually find someone with whom you connect. The only thing to do there is not fucking it up. And PUA is the most reliable way of fucking shit up, I can tell you that.

PS: What motivated this post was the news flash that Tyler with his little crew of rapists are now in Australia promoting LITERAL sexual assault as a way of getting laid. If that's not a red flag for someone then I don't know what is.

Peace,

In$tinct

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I don't think everyone here is like that. I personally filter most of that crap, especially NLP.

There's a lot of shit I don't like about Pintrest, but I don't slam everyone on it.

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You're right man. In the sense that you should be focused on your character and developing an attractive persona rather than using Neg theory and PUA techniques alike. Game is not a gimmick, it's a personality trait. If you believe yourself to be an extremely attractive person, who understands that women are plentiful, you'll naturally communicate this to women, and subsequently women will find you attractive. There is no need for you to learn how to choke a girl or how to neg properly.

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Obviously I don't mean literally everyone, just the general trend that I've been seeing on this and every other PUA forum as long as I've been a member.

I just seriously think there is little to no value for guys here who honestly want to improve and not just mentally masturbate and over-analyze everything unnecessarily. Because they seek easy fix, and they won't find it since it doesn't exist. The only way to get better for anyone is just to go out and improve their lives. No book, bootcamp or forum will ever come close to real life experience, but these do have the potential to fuck them up. As it is evidenced by countless of cases. Just look at the relationship section. Seriously, just look at it. Guys obsess over simple text messages, come here in complete panic after every fight or when they didn't get a goodnight kiss and whatnot. Have 0 idea how to communicate with their girlfriends and other clueless members only give the "helpful" advice to "ditch the bitch". It's ridiculous.

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Interesting post. It is possible that you've actually internalised everything you've learned about PUA to the point where you're now unconsciously competent in your relationships with girls.

For instance: Are you better off now with women than you where before you had even heard of PUA? If the answer is yes then maybe it's what got you to where you are now.

I see the focus on game now being more towards inner game and becoming your true masculine self which if not for societal programming would make everyone a natural in their interactions with women.

Most guys who are "done" are "done" because they've improved to the point that they're now good enough to notice how much of it is bullshit. Want to know why? Cause the good shit helped them so much. They choose to ignore the positives, though.

I've read countless articles and watched countless videos talking about things like "text your ex back" and covert jealousy plots and all this shit. Doesn't mean the whole forum is absolutely pointless. I might have wasted a lot of time, but I'd happily spend the next 5 years in jail if I was going to be a billionaire when I got out, lol. Same principle.

What do people see in Neo? Maybe I'm missing threads.

Edit: Just realised you were doing it all the retarded way and worrying about routines, while being a selfish prick to your girlfriends. Just because your perspective is fucking ridiculous, doesn't mean the whole community is to blame. Yes you're taught to put yourself first, but nowhere are you taught to neglect your woman completely. Your failure was down to you viewing "PUA" as some external set of skills that you have to fake. You're the only one to blame for not being able to assimilate the things you've been taught...

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

The techniques, tactics, and other "tricks" are simply a way of understanding and internalizing the correct behaviours and mindset by a few limited persons groups.

A lot of it was useful - but not 100% correct. There were bits and pieces missing.

Neg theory isn't complete bullshit - but certainly has more negatives than positives in its use

The HB rating system was simply a personal system that other people adopted.

NLP is something that was around long before the PUA community.

The people who actually understand seduction and attraction understand the importance of BEING attractive and developing an attractive persona rather than using "techniques" which are simply a pale imitation of an attractive persona.

For the guy who literally has no idea what this looks like, how to be an attractive person, how to develop an attractive persona, this information is useful.

You seem to be taking a rather narrow view of what the PUA community involves - the majority of the experienced persons here don't use neg theory, don't try magic tricks in the club, and don't use crappy opinion openers.

I'm not quite in synch with you as far as victimizing the whole community for being selfish, creepy pricks but I can relate fully in regards to how the community has a flawed foundation that hurts more than helps with the cause.

I work as a bouncer in a few clubs and have seen several social interactions night in and night out. As a result I have seen what works, what doesn't work, and what works the best for me.

I have been brought up in this community and overtime i began to use what did work for me and discard what didn't work for me, and overtime I have found satisfying relationships with women as well as learn how to go after more of what I want.

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And let's be honest here, the HB rating system is the exact same 1-10 system literally everyone has always used since, probably, the dawn of time... except PUA's put an HB in front.

You know, I really don't think you can blame that on this community. If you're selfish, you probably started off selfish. I don't think I've seen anyone credible say not to care about women, just to not care about them more than yourself. That's a pretty important distinction.

Lol. I dunno man...Maybe its because I just give advice around being happy, respecting yourself, saying what you want and handling yourself like an adult. That's 99% of the words I say here. I dont go around spitting things Ive heard in articles, books or videos and regurgitating the bs that is spewed around the community. Maybe its because I only refer to experience, not books or some other posters words. That's you. Now if you disagree with something I say in a thread, break it down, from your EXPERIENCE, not what some youtuber told you makes sense and sounds good.

To OP, thanks for the shout out. Since you know my posts, you know I give an honest take on what I read, and if I disagree with something I'll say so.

That being said, I see what you're saying but I disagree a bit.

The demographic that seeks out PUA usually consists of the socially awkward, poorly adjusted guys. They come into it insecure, they come into it without having a purpose, they come into it without having much of their lives in order. Those that do, are able to see the bs quickly, take a few things like how to escalate or how to dress and leave for the better. But most dont. And they're fed bs and false promises as you said by coaches. But how much of that is the coaches fault? These guys are selfish to start with and want quick fixes. They want to look like shit and get girls "out of their league." I agree with those things you did to get your life in order, but is a book listing those things really going to sell? Newbies dont want to hear get hobbies, make friends, fix your depression...they want the women.

One term I've always disliked in PU, is AFC. And its because the average guy, is not really frustrated. He has friends, hobbies, a decent social life...a gf he's happy with. He's not frustrated. The guys who come into PU are far from average typically. They think every other non player guy is like them, he must be frustrated, he must be trying to fuck his female friend, he must be longing for a hot ass girlfriend. These non average guys, miss out on what the average guy has, that chillness of being himself, that lack of frustation, that lack of ego. And they try to go to the player level, where their sense of worth is based on their skill with women.

The mentality today is about quick fixes. Get a beach body by working out for 10 mins every other day. Double your income in 6 months. These things are what sell. Because people want short cuts. Especially the guys who come to PUA because they're not well adjusted in the first place. Whats the real difference between Mystery and Mark Manson? There is none. Both are selling you a hack to get women quickly. Mystery says women like routines so use them. Manson says honesty is the key. Both sell you "THIS is what attracts women." Both are selling a quick fix.

One thing I've found funny is that with all the threads on pickup theory, I've never seen one on "why." And not why did you start pickup, why do you pickup women? There is ego/validation behind going out and bedding new women....nothing wrong with that, but what I'm pointing out is, that PU for many is a validation seeking exercise, even when good. And that nature of PU, is what makes it easy for many to miss working on other areas of their lives.

So yes, the community is filled with men who want to complicate things. But they come into it that way. And they demand that it be complicated. If it's not, they'll throw their money at the system thats complicated. As much as you can tell these guys to make PU a small part of your life, they dont want to fix the other shit. If they workout its for women. If they make friends, its to get women. If they hang with a chick, its to sleep with her. They dont want to address the other things in life thats lacking.

I feel like this is a disjointed response but I'll add this. You say you were selfish in the past and lost 2 great girls. How about giving? How about instead of leaving, give your straightforward advice to other men so they dont repeat your mistakes. Tell them, what you do, how hobbies make you happier, how you handle arguments in your relationship, signs of a good woman. Stop being selfish. Share and help others. Thats what I try to do. Even though guys like JD would rather I give advice from the internet, not experiences lol.

I disagree with a lot of what you said, but that part about


Tyler with his little crew of rapists

made me lol

Riiiight... so because I ask a simple question, you're insecure enough about yourself to resort to insulting me? So far it's been negs and insults... this is why I don't understand why people think you're some sort of expert.

I just want to bring you back to reality, but the "some YouTuber" part, it doesn't work when people say that. If you look in my posts, you will see a lot of posts from experience, actually.

Again, I asked a simple question. I wasn't insulting you... I had no idea you would react so insecurely about it. Am I only allowed to think you're amazing?

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Haha. I had no idea you'd respond playing victim. This is not the first time you have come at me on some sideways shit. Difference between you and I, is that I came back with a response to your question, and said directly what I think of your posts. Now you've said your original issue is I "neg and insult"...so negs and insults are what i post in response to the majority of threads here? Lol. Just straight up making stuff up. Even with all your sideways comments at me in threads, i still have no beef with you man. You've carried some issue around with you ever since I said you were being overly sensitive in an old thread. Let it go.

I'm not trying to "neg" you JD, I'm directly telling you that I find the majority of your posts to be regurgitated PU talk. That's my opinion. But I would never hear someone shout you out and come in with something sideways about you. Then act like a victim when you respond. Then say thats what I dont like abt you, you insult people. Lol. Drop the issue with me giving you advice a while back. It was nothing personal. And if you disagree with my posts, say so and break them down logically. I actually prefer when people say they disagree because that shares experiences. And when people cant disagree its because they dont have experience. So prove me wrong.