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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 5:46 am 
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I'll start from the beginning.

I was supposed to go sarging with a couple friends who I've introduced to the community. I was the "experienced" one, meaning I had opened about 20 sets to date, number closed on a few. They were complete noobs.

One backed out; the other showed up, but after I had opened two sets he was too nervous and went home (he'd only been on this and other forums a few times; not enough research).

The two sets I'd opened were done, as my friends had blown them, so I sat at the bar alone and had a couple beers. A sweet ass two set walked in, a 8 and a 8.5, with a guy in tow. I figured what the hell, worst comes to worst I go home with a few beers in me, and opened the set.

I went straight to the guy and said, "I got into a big fight with a couple friends from work, and need your opinion. Who's the hotter Jessica; Biel or Alba?"

He bit, and I entered into a five minute debate (I chose Alba, FYI).

I dropped a couple negs on both girls until I realized that the 8 was the guys girlfriend, and then proceeded to focus my negs on the 8.5 (worked to my benefit anyway). I used some of the classics. "You have some food stuck between your teeth." "Damn, do you always speak when someone is talking?" Etc.

Just as they had come in I had paid my tab while grabbing one last beer, so I used that as my time constraint early on. "Hey, I was gonna head out once this beer is finished, but we need to settle this before I go" (we never did).

After ignoring/negging the HB8.5 for about fifteen minutes I finally engaged her by discussing personalities. I used the C vs. U shaped smile line on the whole party, talking about Alba vs. Biel, but intentionally remained vague on all the descriptions (mainy because both Alba and Biel have C shaped smiles :D )

When prodded as to how I knew that I did the Animal Personality test on the 8.5. However, I put my own twist on it, utilizing kino as much as possible. After telling her to close her eyes I took her hand and pranced my fingers upon it, saying "this is an open field." I then ran my fingers in the center of her hand saying, "this is a lake." Next the bottom of her hand; "this is an ocean." Finally, I pressed firmly in three spots; "these are trees." I then held her hand firmly, but not hard, and said "somewhere in this setting is you represented by an animal. What are you?"

She said that she was a Swan. I told her that she was a sensitive and emotional dreamer, believing in the true beauty in the power of the self (courtesy of http://members.tripod.com/~onespiritx/magick18.htm, I'd never take credit where it's due). She at it up.

At that point I told everyone that I was leaving to smoke a joint and go to bed (I knew already that everyone smoked at the table).

The girls begged me to stay, so I said "I'm going for a walk, come along."

I brought the two girls and the guy to my favorite smoking spot. It's an observation post along a trail overlooking a pond. While walking there we were split in twos; the guy was with his girl and I was walking with my arm around the HB8.5.

Half-way through the J I turned to the HB8.5 and offered her a shotty. Now, there are several ways to give a shotty; I offered the non-touchy way, where one blows smoke through the back end of the J. It was then passed to the guy and the other girl. Mind you, I had my arm around the HB8.5 the whole time.

When the J came my way again I went bold. "Give me a real shotty," I said.

"What do you mean?" she replied. I took a deep hit, lightly held the back of her head, and brought it towards me. I then kissed her while transferring the smoke in my lungs.

The guy immediately stood up.

"Come with me," he said.

"Why?" I replied. "Let's finish this and get out of here," I continued.

"Come with me NOW." He emphasized the 'now' so I did as well. We walked off the observation deck a little ways. He then grabbed my shoulder, pulling me so that I was looking in his eyes. "You touch her again and I'll snap your neck, got it?"

Now, I'm a 2nd degree black belt. I wasn't intimidated. That being said, I didn't know what to do; this guy had his girlfriend with him, why was he fucking with me? If I kicked his ass, I was surely done for the night with the HB8.5.

I just said that it was cool, no worries, I wasn't out to hurt anyone (I figured that that line was subtle enough but put the point across that I wasn't afraid of him), and that I understood his position. We went back to the girls, finished the J, and walked back to the bar.

I said goodbye and went straight to my car. The HB8.5 walked a couple steps after me, asking for my number. I turned to get hers, but the guy took a couple subtle but noticable steps towards me. I told her that I was always at that bar Thursday nights, that I had forgotten my phone at home (the truth), and that'd I'd see her there next week.

How in god's name should I have dealt with the FUCKING AMOG!?!?!?!?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2006 8:32 am 
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Herbal wrote about Papa once, he (Papa) was seducing this guy's gf and when the guy started pushing him away, he just stood, ready to fight. Of course, since he was a good PUA, the girl defended him. Dang.

You can either be daring and try to meet the girl again, go out on a few dates and convert her to your side.

Or, you can just go out again and sarge and sarge, find a new woman.

As for the AMOG:

The real things when you're against AMOGs is that you have to isolate the target and make sure the AMOG isn't around. Isolate then you know the usuals.

As for the other option, get ready to fight, stand your ground. Of course, I would choose the first option. Less blood, more time to seduce.

Just my opinion.


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 4:13 pm 
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duuude thats fucken wack shit

amogs are little bitches, and how surea re you that the chick you were after wasnt his sister or anything? yeah you did kinda fuck up by not isolating you should have let the amog and his girl smoke the roach (convince them there wwould be enough when it would be a roach haha) then take the girl to (i usually use this) 'i need to talk to you in private'

anyways, if you were 2nd degreee blackbelt (in what anyways, i have a buddy thats high up in tae-kwon do ive seen him take on some next level fights with ease) you should have threatened him back with something like, "whats your problem" so he knows your willing to stand up for yourself or even "do you know who i am" thats usually a good line to use, but its more likely to start up a fight
ex [b]YOU[/b] do you know who i am
[b]AMOG[/b] i dont care who you are
[b]YOU[/b] why are you talking shit
you see where this is going

anyways man that sucks, i dont know why you didnt try number close, he was prob walking close to you guys make sure you dont fool around before you peace. im not too sure why you were so intimidated by this amog but my advice is go back to that bar and look for that chick. i mean you sound pretty good at pick up so if shes not around go find others


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 6:07 pm 
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I said goodbye and went straight to my car. The HB8.5 walked a couple steps after me, asking for my number. I turned to get hers, but the guy took a couple subtle but noticable steps towards me. I told her that I was always at that bar Thursday nights, that I had forgotten my phone at home (the truth), and that'd I'd see her there next week.

How in god's name should I have dealt with the FUCKING AMOG!?!?!?!?
If the problem was that u dont want to be seen how u give phone number to her:
If the guy wasnt near enough to hear what u talking to the girl just tell her that u leave your number on a piece of paper in a envelop at the bar.
So she can go any day to the bar alone and take it, without beeing seen by that asshole.


Tyson.


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PostPosted: Mon Sep 25, 2006 1:29 pm 
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Tyson is correct.

Make sure that that girl wasn't the AMOG's protected asset. I mean, sure, she may not have had been the gf, but even still, friends protect friends.

As for the fight lines, I'd rather not.
Fighting the guy is really a bad idea, since you'll be beating him up (I assume you can, right?) and giving the girl a bad idea. If you want to fight him, make sure the girl is on YOUR side and make sure that she thinks the AMOG STARTED the fight, just as Papa demonstrated.

Goodluck.


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you should have fought the guy (and made it seem like he started it) and purposely get your ass kicked.
then the girl will side with you.
lol. jk.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 4:40 am 
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Yeah, my problems seem to focus around my inexperience. If I open six sets in a night I'll nail every step... but spread across all six sets. In this particular one I didn't isolate and I didn't find out the group assocations.

And my 2nd degree is in Tae Kwon Do, for whoever asked...


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 26, 2006 1:51 pm 
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There's a wave technique used by some Brit PUAs. They open sets and spread themselves out. Then they come back again to the sets and start engaging the intimacy levels. When the PUA chooses his target accordingly, he then isolates.

You can use the wave to your advantage so don't freak out. Remember, you shouldn't put your eggs in one basket. Waving is like a one-two step system.

Anyway, I hope you get it.

Goodluck. :D


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 09, 2006 4:59 am 
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i think that when she asked for your number, you should've just told her what he said to you. i.e.

Her: Can i get your number?
You turn
Amog takes threatening steps
You: Well i would but Rambo over there told me he would snap my neck if I ever touched you again, its too bad too, you seemed like a really cool girl.


OR

Instead of just repeating what he said, exaggerate it, say, I would but Ahhnold over there said he'd cut my head off and drink blook from my throat if i ever touched you again, and i really only do stuff like that on mondays. Its too bad too, I really wanted to meet up with you some time.

She'll get pissed at him if she likes you, and he'll look like an idiot, she may even get in a fight with him there and you can give her your number afterwards. If neither one of those things happen, that she didn't like you that much anyway.

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i have a question dude

have you gone back on a thurs and looked for her? if you have whats going on with that


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