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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 10:56 pm 
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I think Cupid was close to success in his last video. He almost lost her when he was talking to her about Runescape, but she was alive and smiling again as soon as he mentioned having sex in the Starbucks bathroom. You can tell in her reaction to this that she might have been thinking "Hell, why not?". She just threw him the standard "I have a boyfriend" test and despite Cupid hanging in there he still seemingly failed the test.

I myself would not have joked about have a threesome with the boyfriend and would have expected it not to work as it's a bit silly. Something as simple like "that doesn't bother me" instead may have worked.


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DA, you're cool but no one brought you any heat here or in any way criticized what you taught Cupid. Sure, maybe we didnt say thanks or you rock for meeting with him. It was a very good thing to do and something people may have brushed over to comment on the footage. But in no way has anyone said anything that could be taken as criticism of what advice you gave him or shown him. As I said, the last footage looks the same, a wtf reaction, some awkwardness ,a request to have sex and plowing after objections. That's not anything to do with YOU, as you said, he wasnt open to your advice. I just have no idea where you saw heat being brought upon you to do more than you did. Criticisms here have all been on what cupid does not what you told him and he refused. Honestly, i have little idea what he should do, just guesses. But I suspect more is needed. So I just enjoy the footage.


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Why not push the limit with people you actually have a chance with?
Lesson learned: be bold. and push limits.

but how do i draw the line between plowing and harassment?
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Asking uninterested girls straight out, unless PROPERLY CALIBRATED, will not get you admiration, but more their disgust.
I disagree. Robert Greene says the mere fact that you had the sense of entitlement and balls to ask creates attraction - even if she says NO.
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Again, you shouldn't think about "countering". Said girl was obviously engrossed in whatever she was doing. You had little chance of breaking her state, and an even smaller chance of creating attraction.
Maybe that's a limiting belief. bro.
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If there was anything you could have done to break her state, it would NOT be in the words you said, but by creating an attractive and confident energy that would suck her in to your state (pun not intended) and pump her emotions.

Again, it's great that you're approaching, but you definitely should be looking to actually escalate and be willing to get physical rather than just approaching for approaching's sake
I agree. Lesson learned: do more kino


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:34 am 
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Depends. A stern "go away" or "fuck off cunt" or something like that then yes. In this case hard to say. Despite Boris thinking otherwise I actually think he was close to success in this approach, even more so after he plowed through and asked for sex.

We'll never know for sure though as he ejected too soon. This girl was pretty cold but I think her last statements were actually quite warm. If I had stepped into the OP's shoes as soon as she said "No, go walk around and talk to somebody else. I have a boyfriend" I would have definitely taken that as a "go" signal and tried to hang in there..
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Anyway, during that interaction I think she tried to get rid of me four times.

how on earth did you read that as a "go" signal lol I don't want people reporting me to the park cops or something. that's why if I get told to leave twice, I just go. I think there's a line between verbal harassment and fine old plowing - and staying after she tells you to leave 4 times is definately crossing that line bro.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 10:43 am 
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This persist/plough thing has fucked up people's game by wasting so much time. I wish I could delete that shit from the internet.

If a girl says maybe but she is giggling and you can tell that she likes you, by all means 'plough'

i just don't get guys when they are clearly being told to move on by an uninterested girl and yet they still waste their time.

There is a different between neutral and not interested girls. Baffles me but that people tend to go with the latter
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I talked to a pretty cold chick at the club the other night. After a bit of small talked she told me that she wanted me to leave as she needed her "space", and she kept saying that. At one stage I asked if I could get to the point to which she said "sure". So I told her that I was trying to figure out how to get into bed with her. She responded with "Well, that's not gonna happen" to which I said "Um, it might...".

Anyway, during that interaction I think she tried to get rid of me four times. Only on the last time it worked because I thought maybe that I could give her five minutes and then get back to her. When I left I actually said "Sure, I might talk to you later". Trouble was when the five minutes were up she already left.

She probably wasn't interested. I kicked myself a little bit for ejecting but I'm sure not what I would have said had I stayed at that point. Maybe I could have just shut up and stared at her or something.

The point is even though she told me to go away multiple times there was no harm in effectively ignoring her. I wasn't at any time aggressive.
So your example of a girl telling you "I"m not interested in you" and you "plowing" ends in her running away from you the moment she gets the chance, after you've wasted the entire night trying to win her over, when she was telling you the entire time, she wasn't interested.
Wouldn't it seem like a better idea to leave her alone and go talk to another girl, who may in fact be interested?

This is SOLID. I agree 100%.

But let's play devil's advocate for a second. Plowing can teach you a lot about women and toughen you up - despite it being a waste of time. For me, plowing is about being outside my comfortzone and seeing if I can perform miracles. Sometimes it's more fun than easy sets. Anyone can run an easy set but it's greater skill to get a hard set. The greater the challenge, the greater the glory in overcoming the challenge. I'm not just doing this for sex anymore, but for my own personal enjoyment. I want to enjoy the thrill of the chase and the adventure - even if it's more efficient to invest that time and energy into girls that have greater "sex potential".


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He's quirky, and I think his interesting sense of humor may be his angle into getting better at this game.
Good advice. I need to focus on using more humor in my sets.

But i thought you said my humor was bad because it was too gross and disgusting (like when I told the girl "I heard mcdonalds uses human flesh in their burgers" and then I said "they've found human fingers in the soup" LOL. I'm confused - is my humor good or bad?


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I did pick up on an energy that he takes this whole thing way too seriously.
Because when I'm not serious, I don't get anything done the whole day. If I have a casual mentality, then I won't have the guts to approach. I take life seriously because I'm serious about getting results and making progress.


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unconfident speech pattern.
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I need to fix THIS. More than anything else.


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how on earth did you read that as a "go" signal lol I don't want people reporting me to the park cops or something. that's why if I get told to leave twice, I just go. I think there's a line between verbal harassment and fine old plowing - and staying after she tells you to leave 4 times is definately crossing that line bro.
Well, I don't blindly 'plow'. I make quick judgement calls in the heat of the moment. And to be honest, I'm not 100% sure I would have 'hung in there' if I were you even though I said I would. It's easy to say that she might have been interested but in the moment who knows what judgement call I would have made in the moment if I was you.

With the example of my approach each time I decided to stick around I decided to stick around in the moment. With each "I need my space" I thought she might have just been testing me.

It comes down to a rule I've been trying to adopt more fully lately which is "Don't listen to what they say" (David X's rule one of only two rules he has). A lot of the time in the past I used to give up as soon as I encountered a "I have a boyfriend" or what-have-you. But lately I've come to realize that to increase my results I need to keep going with my MO when it's not obvious that I won't get anywhere with it.

Woman often lie about having boyfriends, particularly in clubs which is where I do the majority of my hunting. Recently I was talking to a girl and she pointed out another girl who wanted help finding someone to go home with that night (i.e. get laid). So later on in the night I approached the girl who was apparently looking to get laid. I approached with the confidence that this was a go-er. The interaction went well and then came the expected 'I have a boyfriend' or in this case she said she was 'going over there to talk to her boyfriend'. I knew she was lying as as soon as she said this as her friend straight away said to her 'No, what are you doing?'. Anyway, even though I knew she didn't have a boyfriend I didn't hang in there so to speak because she walked off. Hope wasn't lost though as I figured if I re-approached her I would get her.

Unfortunately I didn't re-approach her though as logistics suddenly came to mind. I wasn't prepared to spend the night with someone at the time (I've never actually picked up before so I just sometimes go out unprepared as I figure I'm just training). So due to this I didn't bother to re-approach.

The point is I could have had sex with her. Getting laid isn't that hard. I didn't do her so it doesn't prove my point though and I've yet to pick-up. But I do believe now if you can pass their so called tests you're already over half way there of achieving success.

You ever heard the saying that only jerks get laid and the nice guys finish last? Well, I don't think it's true but I do think more often than not jerks stick around whilst nice guys eject at the first 'hurdle'.
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I'm not just doing this for sex anymore, but for my own personal enjoyment. I want to enjoy the thrill of the chase and the adventure - even if it's more efficient to invest that time and energy into girls that have greater "sex potential".
Mmm, this sounds a bit like me at times and I think it's a problem. I've been trying to pick up women with virtually no hard results for a long time now and I think it has slowly eroded the ultimate sex objective somewhat. I've had opportunities to get laid and I haven't taken then with full open arms (even the story above can be said to be a case in point).

What's worse is that I can just pay for sex with prostitutes (which I've been using consistently for years now as well). Usually after a night of trying to pick up with women I find myself at my local brothel. This reduces the urgency for finding an unpaid for root which I've wanted so bad in the past.

As far as I know, you're still a virgin. And so am I in a manner of speaking. In fact, a couple of times girls have asked me if I'm a virgin. I must give out that virgin vibe which might be causing half the trouble you and I experience. If we can get just get that one root then things will probably be a lot easier for us. And that first root may never happen if we keep on focusing on the pick-up itself rather than getting laid.


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As far as I know, you're still a virgin. And so am I in a manner of speaking.
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Good advice. I need to focus on using more humor in my sets.
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[Sorry to all the people who posted who I didn't get a chance to respond to. I hope I will do so soon but in the mean time: it's finally here!!! The infield video of me and Da]


They were laughing and enjoying themselves. When you approach a girl, think of it as someone who is making her day better. Adding value to her life. Giving her good emotions.

I am not infringing on their time. I am making their day by giving them a compliment, making jokes and giving them validation by allowing them to partake in the presence of a high-status man.

Da was the one who pointed out the girls to me and then I approached them so I feel gratitude for that. He joined in the set shortly afterwards. This is one of the best sets I ever did because the girls were SEXY and the girl actually really liked me for some strange reason haha I just regret wussying out and not going for the number in the end. I have the balls to approach but not the balls to close.

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I think there is a lot of potential here. One issue that I have currently is getting over my own fears in order to project something more positive as well as an issue with calling people out on there bull shit. Maybe I am not alone. Maybe I am.


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Can't write much but there was improvement. I don't know what da told you but whatever it was the interaction started off better than the others. No wtf face. I noticed that too in the other set with your friend who did the rape kiss close...it seems like when you have someone there it starts off better. Maybe you carry yourself differently when someone is near? I dunno


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Why not push the limit with people you actually have a chance with?
Lesson learned: be bold. and push limits.

but how do i draw the line between plowing and harassment?
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Asking uninterested girls straight out, unless PROPERLY CALIBRATED, will not get you admiration, but more their disgust.
I disagree. Robert Greene says the mere fact that you had the sense of entitlement and balls to ask creates attraction - even if she says NO.
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Again, you shouldn't think about "countering". Said girl was obviously engrossed in whatever she was doing. You had little chance of breaking her state, and an even smaller chance of creating attraction.
Maybe that's a limiting belief. bro.
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If there was anything you could have done to break her state, it would NOT be in the words you said, but by creating an attractive and confident energy that would suck her in to your state (pun not intended) and pump her emotions.

Again, it's great that you're approaching, but you definitely should be looking to actually escalate and be willing to get physical rather than just approaching for approaching's sake
I agree. Lesson learned: do more kino
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but how do i draw the line between plowing and harassment?
Body language, tonality, and interest will tell you whether or not you should keep going.

If she is obviously interested in you but her ASD (anti slut defense) is kicking in then it may take some plowing.

Personal case in point - I once had a girl who I KNEW was interested in me. Touching, kissing, etc. But she wouldn't give me her number, denied it several times in fact. I kept plowing and she not only gave me her number but took me home that night. I knew she was interested so I kept plowing.

If a woman is clearly not interested, tells you clearly that she is not interested in you, in talking to you, or is busy, or walks away, and you keep "plowing" then it's obvious harassment.
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Asking uninterested girls straight out, unless PROPERLY CALIBRATED, will not get you admiration, but more their disgust.
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I disagree. Robert Greene says the mere fact that you had the sense of entitlement and balls to ask creates attraction - even if she says NO.
Please re-read the sentence ESPECIALLY two words I placed in all caps and think about it. I meant every word and I am 100% certain that this holds true every single time. I'm not going to address it again, but you really should think about what i said there.

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Again, you shouldn't think about "countering". Said girl was obviously engrossed in whatever she was doing. You had little chance of breaking her state, and an even smaller chance of creating attraction.
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Maybe that's a limiting belief. bro.
Please read carefully and think about what I'm about to say.

It's not a limiting belief. Do you think that professional sports players look for the most difficult shots to make? No, they look for the best positions to make it EASIER FOR THEM TO SCORE. You can continually wasting your time on girls that are difficult to open, your choice. But if you really want to get laid, then stop turning pickup into a fucking obstacle course. Concentrate on the women that are EASY to close then work your way up. No mountain climber starts their first climb at Mount Everest, and likewise you should concentrate on women that are going to open RELATIVELY easy.

Am I saying you shouldn't challenge yourself? Absolutely not. I'm simply saying that REGULARLY approaching moving sets, approaching mixed sets where there's a high likelhood that the guy is romatically involved, or approaching sets who are absorbed WITHOUT HAVING THE BASICS DOWN is a quite route to frustration. Again, a basketball player isn't going to try to make a basket from half court just to challenge himself. If he really wants to make that basket, he's going to put himself in the best position possible. And for the time being, so should you.


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