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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 10:27 am 
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So I have been an observer for too long. I have read countless books, articles, forums, watched videos from mystery, style, Lovedrop, Matador, Gambler, Adam Lyons, Ross Jefferies, the list continues.

I'm not terribly unconfident, I am an AFC so there is AA. I am however a performer (not of magic as my name suggests), I play in bands. So I get up in front of rooms and instantly gain social proof, demonstrate higher value, and show I am the leader of men (I'm not the frontman but still). So at gigs women approach me, and I become the loveable loser, or the interviewer. Unattractive girls, and guys come up to pay compliments and show me attention and I never use that for my advantage.

I am not a virgin, I'm only 21, although I've had success in the past..this is Pick Up and I want to play the game, better yet I want to WIN the game.

Any advice on how to start the forums would be helpful, and criticisms and advice are desperately encouraged.

Last saturday after a gig in front of 250 people, I managed to have 4 women approach me. One was a regular who was drunk, but i still gamed her (HB7). Her "pre-selection" brought her friend over to me (HB8), as that happened my mate (singer in band) started talking to the HB7, inadvertent winging (my friends aren't into pick up..yet). I worked them both the same, stood back, they leaned in. I escalated kino, I don't know if they liked it or not though. Will have to calibrate that area. Start talking too much fluff, I crashed and burned because it got boring and in A3 i failed to show my attraction, it was just a cycle of A2. My head was working too much on this one. I think my reflex is to neg as well, I'm a humorous guy..but I'm like Chandler from friends..a bit too much sarcasm at times.

Third girl, barely an HB6. She didn't need me to show attraction, she threw herself at me, which helped when i walked up stairs because I had 3 out of 4 here, social proof, higher value (from playing all night), and pre-selection (very handsy girl, who i was pushing away jokingly). Then I was accosted by drunk guys complimenting me and asking why I didn't play 'horses'. I laughed and was friendly to 4 pretty big guys, leader of men. Then I was left with their female friend the 4th and final of the night, she was no contest because as the guys spoke to me and I amoged each of them, I completely ignored her. Then i gave her some attention. She threw me compliments, leaned in, tried to guess my name, played with my tie. Seems like child's play right? wrong. What i've noticed with gigs is they have such a pumped up view of you when you finish, you need to be so much larger than life otherwise it's very difficult to maintain their interest. I'm capable but not confident or experienced enough to be larger than life with strangers...yet.

I did the ESP game, she loved it. Then she said have you read 'The Game'. ....oh fuck.
I'm very new at this, I've read it twice. No-one ever said what to do when this happens! I did my best to play the fool and when she explained it (she had very limited knowledge which was a relief) I tried to shoot down the concept as much as possible. I think I over-compensated. I isolated her, DHV'ed, gained comfort..but I had skipped telling her I was attracted. It was trudging along, she played with her air, I was surprised how strong my frame was, her foot kept sliding on my leg, but it became much blander as I went on, I should be more aggressive. The time came when she had to leave and I had to find the owner of the club, her friend's came and distracted her. I didn't know what to do, I was sitting there not doing anything and my value was dropping. I told her i had to go and I would like to continue our talk, she looked me straight in the eyes and said 'yes please.' We play there weekly, so I'm hoping to go into C2 next week. I still should have #closed.

Tonight however I am 5 minutes from some bars (as I am house sitting near the city. I'm from Australia). I have spent a week talking myself into heading out to sarge alone. Holy shit I am crapping my pants. I'm still tossing it up. If i grow some balls I will post it on here. I'm going out with 2 routines, with the hopes to approach 6 times.

Thank you for reading. Let me know if my etiquette or lingo isn't right for the forum.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:24 pm 
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As a pre-cursor this Field Report is a FU. As i didn't even approach

It took a while but after i took it step by step, shave, shower, dressing up, reading my routines, playing some fun music and driving down the road to the bars. It seemed like the fear was gone. My heart never really races, nor do I sweat or anything like that anymore. Desensitised from being on stage I guess. It was late though it was 10:15pm and I was walking the street.

I walked around the street, the bars i thought i would try were empty, but people were out in other bars. I looked good, dressed in a white shirt with bright red tie, tight jeans and dress shoes, wrist bands on, rings on, clean shaven. I'm not trying to be arrogant but with my confident alpha walk I was turning heads, and I smiled at those who i caught eye contact with. Wow, the reading, the small attempts after gigs, I've gotten the hang of some of this.

I couldn't approach though, I knew what i could say, I knew which sets would work well. I even thought up a little opener as I walked. 'Hi do you know where XX bar is, I'm trying to find my friends.' blah blah 'Okay, thanks. I best go find them. To be honest I don't really know if I want to hang out with them tonight. They're great people and we'd do anything for each other. If I asked them to help me out, they'd jump at it no questions asked, and I'd do the same, it's just we've spent the last two weeks together and tonight I want to make new friends. Hey maybe you can help, we were discussing one of the guys current predicaments...' From here i would go into a spiel about long distance relationships and if they should happen, because i can then demonstrate DHV with a true story of how I met a swiss girl online and spent 2 weeks with her in france, ( like I said I'm from Australia). But any 'opinion' routine would fit here. My thought is it demonstrates leader of men, protector of loved ones, then with my story, pre-selection of women and social proof. But what good is any of it If i can't go out alone and use it?

I physically could not go up to someone, my mouth wasn't dry, my heart wasn't racing, it was just a horrible wall that I wanted to get around but somehow couldn't.

I'm going to have to build up more comfortability with my routines sarging with some wings, or just being out with friends. My goal is to be able to go out alone and be 'that guy' who gave people a memorable night, and in the mean time collect friends, dates and relationships from the process.

I'll try again this week to go with some friends and friday night and saturday night I have gigs..so I'll build up some more experience/confidence there. Even though right out of the bat with most girls I've already got proven social proof, leader of men and pre-selection and they approach me...but still jumping to mid game should give me a chance to improve there so when I get the approach nailed i'll be well on my way.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 26, 2013 8:35 pm 
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You definitely need to find people who are into this. It's not always a good idea to game with your friends because they might not sympathize. That's not to say that you shouldn't put it out there, but make sure that they actually want to do that. Find people in your area who are into this type of thing.

I think the point of the game that you're in is where I was about three weeks ago. You need to just go out and have fun. Above all else, this should be fun. Try to go out and have a good time, then approach some girls, and if that doesn't work, who cares? Try not to go a minute without talking to someone new.


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