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PostPosted: Wed Aug 27, 2008 7:55 am 
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just wanted to tell you guys, that i have an afc friend who is actually quite succesful with direct game too. funny thing: its totally different than pua strategies. let me tell you about his ways:
From the sounds of it, he isn't an afc at all. He's naturally direct and naturally alpha, both with his actions and his mindset. Just because someone doesn't use 'pua tactics' doesn't make them an 'afc'.
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also i'm noticing its all about openers here and then you eject, whats the point in that?? even when you hook you eject, because you have no follow up...its all about the follow-up.... with a good follow-up you can even hook when she snubs you (by plowing through)
I know, ejecting is my sticking point. It's become a bad habit of mine to eject way too soon, even on sets that are going well. I guess I need to peservere and let HER be the one to eject first....or, hopefully, neither me nor the girl will eject and I will be able to get the instant date.

I'll be working on fixing this sticking point in my next few approaches.


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I like these and have done it myself several times, including just last night. I was in a packed club with no chance to be heard, even using all of Styles stomach shouting techniques. So I went to the doorman and got a pen and paper and wrote; "this place is packed with gorgeous girls, yet you stand out and we're going to be special, call me" then walked up to her, smiled and put the note into her hand. Then I went outside to catch up with some mates. Just as I was walking away I thought, damn what an AFC that wasnt a close, so I quickly ran back in to see. She had the note tucked into her bra and smiled as I walked up to her, I said "look I am a top bloke, single, fun and have soft lips", she replied I had her with the note. So I then asked for her number and got it. Shes HB8 too.

But the point is that on this occassion I ran back, but often after the first line I then get stuck, just like the post above - whats a killer second or third line?


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Lately I've been doing a fair few approaches, but not strictly 'Direct'. I have been going through some visualisations so I can train my mind to visualise postive outcomes. I have been working on other areas of my life and not really been out to do Direct extensively.

Anyway, I did another Direct approach the other day....

APPROACH 28 - Monday 22nd Sept 2008, Warrington
Around 3.30pm I was stood outside the Golden Square shopping arcade in Warrington when I saw a 2 set sit down on a nearby bench. I let them sit there for a minute as I didn't want to approach the moment they sat down. I walked over...

ME: (looking one of them in the eye and smiling) "Hi, how are you guys doing?"

HB1: "Hi" (smiling back at me)

ME: "Are you guys from Warrington?"

HB1: "Yeh we are".

ME: "I didn't realise girls in Warrington were so good looking!"

HB1: (smiling and blushing)

ME: "I was just stood over there...drinking my drink...and I saw you both...and I thought I would come over and say hi".

HB1: "Oh right".

ME: "I've just been busking in Warrington....I don't usually come here unless I'm busking...but I was under the impression the girls in Warrington were all scallies who had kids by the time time they were 17!"

HB1: "Oh that's not true!" (laughing and smiling)

ME: "I bet you guys are from the posh end of Warrington then?"

HB1 and HB2: "Nah we're not really!"

ME: "So what have you guys been doing today, are you in college or something?"

HB1 and HB2: "Yeah we've just finished".

ME: "What do you study?"

(They tell me what they study and I joke around, saying they are gonna be creative brain surgeons or something, got them laughing).

I then did the 'good girl'/'bad girl' flirting banter and they were both smiling and laughing.

ME: "By the way, I'm Guitar_Whizz" (actually I used me real name, and I shook hands and name exchanged them).

I'm not sure what happened next but I was a bit out of state during the conversation and I said I had to go and get my train home, so I wished them a good day and left. I think I was in disbelief at how well that natural/Direct opener had worked....and how well the conversation was going....but I couldn't be bothered closing....do I really want another college girl?....maybe that's just an excuse I dunno but something stopped me from carrying on the interaction.

But I learned a few things.

I have to start going into sets believing I will get a positive response. Whenever I walk over to go Direct, I'm in two minds, thinking 'this will either go well or it will fuck up'....as a consequence I'm only going in about 50% instead of giving in 100%. So I'll work on this in my next approaches.


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Keep up the good work, I realize there is a big flaw in your game, you are not persistent enough, the girl didn't shoot you down or anything! And also, I don't think your opener work, it didn't give you any good results, you need to try some new openers. You also need to learn how to actually "game", from your stories I realized that you only deliver the opener, be their best friends and leave... JUST ASK THEM TO SET UP AN INSTANT DATE! OMG! tell them something like, hey lets get something to drink.


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I have to start going into sets believing I will get a positive response. Whenever I walk over to go Direct, I'm in two minds, thinking 'this will either go well or it will fuck up'....as a consequence I'm only going in about 50% instead of giving in 100%. So I'll work on this in my next approaches.
one thing though is still coming back everytime it seems. you decide to eject when it goes well. maybe it is a good idea to have a plan beforehand for setting up a meeting or something. tell them of a party or similar were they could meet you e.g., or tell them about your music and about the cool club you know etc. or if you want to keep it very directly then say: i definitely want to get to know you, what about having coffee together sometime. or i feel you not just have the looks but a great personality as well, lets meet at another place so we can get to know each other. or you seem fun we definitely should hang out together sometime. whatever suits you. but stop deciding to eject. keep up the good work.

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PS: i have another one you could try and it is quite charming if done smoothly. when she walks towards you on the street, put a big smile on your face as soon as you reach eye-distance and when she is about to walking by reach out as if you would give her a handshake. when she grabs your hand, make a small step closer to her, lift your hand, spin her around, drag her slightly towards you and say "so who are YOU?" while looking her straight into the eyes.

or when she walks by say "dont stare at my ass" with a straight face and when she has walked by and inevitably looks back, you say " i knew it" go over and say something like "so you are picking me up on the street like some piece of meat, you have to make up for that. whats your name?"

i mean you could try to give them something where they can play along with and see where that leads to and it is still some kind of a direct approach.

btw, it is tested but it is clearly no 100% success thing. you have to have the right mind and mood to make it work.


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Approach 7, 25th May 2007
I approached this HB walking towards me. I said "Excuse me, can I just stop you a minute?". She stopped, then I looked her straight in the eye and said "You're the most beautiful girl I've seen all day and I just thought I'd say hello". She smiled and laughed, then there was a pause while we looked into each others' eyes. I was sort of lost for words, so I said "Are you single?" and she goes "No sorry", so I said "Oh well, I just had to stop you and tell you that", and then I ejected.

I felt no AA beforehand; in fact when I saw her I thought 'I'm definitely gonna approach her, fucking go for it!!!!'. And I got a rush from approaching her.

Also, afterwards, despite the 'rejection', I felt great. I didn't feel pissed off like I would if I'd been rejected from an indirect approach. And you know what, I also thought that this is piss easy. So easy it's untrue.

Things I could improve on are body language and being more persistant. As it was my first Direct approach in ages I was a little bit 'figity' in my body language, although I did look her in the eye when I did my Direct approach.
dam that story gave me goosebums, lol ;)


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