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PostPosted: Wed Mar 21, 2012 4:39 pm 
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in order to accurately read peoples body language, people have to be doing something obvious or you need to observe them for long enough until they become predictable.

The latter you hardly have the luxury of doing with random girls unless you want to labelled as some kind of weirdo.

If you look at alot of body language videos they analyse a persons body language in hyancite ie after the event and then the so called expert attempts to make out that they predicted the subsequent event (what ended up actually happened) when they have actually witnessed the whole event whatever that may be already, prior to studying their subjects body language.

Talk about a steaming pile of shit.


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If you look at alot of body language videos they analyse a persons body language in hyancite ie after the event and then the so called expert attempts to make out that they predicted the subsequent event (what ended up actually happened) when they have actually witnessed the whole event whatever that may be already, prior to studying their subjects body language.
Can you provide a valid source of this happening regularly? If you are right it would mean that all mpuas that talk about different types of body language are lying to get in to our wallets.

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in order to accurately read peoples body language, people have to be doing something obvious or you need to observe them for long enough until they become predictable.

The latter you hardly have the luxury of doing with random girls unless you want to labelled as some kind of weirdo.

If you look at alot of body language videos they analyse a persons body language in hyancite ie after the event and then the so called expert attempts to make out that they predicted the subsequent event (what ended up actually happened) when they have actually witnessed the whole event whatever that may be already, prior to studying their subjects body language.

Talk about a steaming pile of shit.
You have a lot to learn, starting with how to open your mind to new ideas.

Body Language can teach you a lot about someone, it tells you what mood their in, what they are feeling like, etc. The fact that you can't read it says a lot about your body language intuition and awareness.

Body Language gets easier with time but it certainly isn't easy starting out. You don't need to watch them for a long time, people in general are predictable. Base lining behaviors also gets easier with experience(watching someone for a long time to get them).

I can walk up to a woman open her by starting out talking about how she is feeling, I'm almost always right. It's so much easier then you realize. People wear their thoughts in their body language, you should learn to decode them.

Oh and this is how you spell Hindsight.

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in order to accurately read peoples body language, people have to be doing something obvious or you need to observe them for long enough until they become predictable...
Kinesics or body language has been studied extensively from FBI film footages of interrogations. Since then, many researches studied various footages to identify the different patterns of body movements and what these mean.

Here's an example: http://www.nova.edu/ssss/QR/QR15-2/goodboy.pdf

There's a big body of knowledge in this discipline. It's science if you know where to look for the right information. You'll only get so good at it through daily practice. I use it in my line of work for deal negotiations. :twisted:

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you dont need to watch somebody for ages like a creep to read someones' body language. by just spending more time in field you naturally learn to subconciously pick up on certain little cues. you dont want to be setting out 'watching' peoples body language, it will ruin your interactions


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in order to accurately read peoples body language, people have to be doing something obvious or you need to observe them for long enough until they become predictable.

The latter you hardly have the luxury of doing with random girls unless you want to labelled as some kind of weirdo.

If you look at alot of body language videos they analyse a persons body language in hyancite ie after the event and then the so called expert attempts to make out that they predicted the subsequent event (what ended up actually happened) when they have actually witnessed the whole event whatever that may be already, prior to studying their subjects body language.

Talk about a steaming pile of shit.
Bollocks.

Once you study it and know what to look for you can easily pick up on it in conversation.

This guy was trying to sell me something and he talked a really good story. But then I noticed he was pulling leaves of a bush that was behind him which said to me he was nervous about what he was saying so I walked off.


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To be fair, I don't doubt that some of these sort of celebrity body language experts probably are a bit of a con. However, I don't agree with the rest of the post. The main flaw with it is this - what exactly is "obvious" body language? Why is it "obvious"?

The only reason it is obvious is because they are signs that you have learnt to notice. This is perhaps a stretched analogy, but imagine you travel in space and meet a race of aliens for the first time. You see an alien crying - what does that mean? You've never met one of these aliens before, so how do you know what they're feeling? Humans usually cry when they're sad (or very happy), but what if these aliens cry for something totally different - I don't know, maybe it shows they are attracted to a partner. For that race of aliens, crying is a totally different signal to what it would mean to us.

What I'm trying to say is that the only reason some body language signals are more "obvious" than others, is because you are made aware of them more often. You've seen people crying loads of times, you've spoken to people to find out why they're crying, you know that crying usually means sadness. You've seen people with a beaming smile loads in your lifetime, you've spoken to people with a beaming smile, you know that usually a beaming smile equates to them being happy or liking you or whatever.

But if you become more exposed to the "subtler" signs, then they become no different to the more obvious ones. (Well, they may still be slightly harder to read, but you get the drift - the more exposure you get to the subtle body language signs, the easier they become to read.)


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To be fair, I don't doubt that some of these sort of celebrity body language experts probably are a bit of a con.
Many. I've read so much on body language I can tell when a celebrity has been trained. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxqqTHmysA

Gary Barlow is the one to the right of the video sitting down, notice how his body is at an angle. Imagine the stage is right in front of where they are sitting. He turns his face to look at the stage whilst his body is 40 degree away from the stage.

He sits like this during every single episode of xfactor and doesn't move at all.

It's a very sexy way to sit, angling your head off from your body. And he was clearly taught how to do that. And I do it too, not so much when sitting but standing at a bar waiting for a drink. My body will face along the bar length ways and I'll face the bar staff.


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To be fair, I don't doubt that some of these sort of celebrity body language experts probably are a bit of a con.
Many. I've read so much on body language I can tell when a celebrity has been trained. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJxqqTHmysA

Gary Barlow is the one to the right of the video sitting down, notice how his body is at an angle. Imagine the stage is right in front of where they are sitting. He turns his face to look at the stage whilst his body is 40 degree away from the stage.

He sits like this during every single episode of xfactor and doesn't move at all.

It's a very sexy way to sit, angling your head off from your body. And he was clearly taught how to do that. And I do it too, not so much when sitting but standing at a bar waiting for a drink. My body will face along the bar length ways and I'll face the bar staff.
That isn't the most important part of his body language. The most important part is his posture, it is exemplary. His confidence shines through that great posture.

I was watching white collar the other day and you could see that the main characters confidence and charisma are rooted in his body language. His posture is phenomenal. At no point does he slack off on his posture.

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If body language is bollocks then I think I think I might have super powers. Seriously, I've accomplished things out of movies and dreams in game, sales, and social dynamics utilizing everything I've studied on body language. Too legit to quit.


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body language isnt bullshit. im assuming your new at PU. so this is what you need to know about body language.

you need good body language. Walk with long strides. dont slouch. hold your head up, chest out, shoulders down, back straight. it should come natural. hold strong eye contact with people. thats body language for you.

when talking to women if a girls playing with her hair, smiling, etc thats a good sign of positive body language. also if she faces you directly.

negative body language- if a woman isnt turned towards you, constantly looking around, etc.

i know this shit seems obvious but im putting it in as basic terms as i can. as you progress and get more advanced you can recognize which girls are easily approachable instantly and by determining their "body language" you can measure how attracted or interested they are in you. i mean yea it is a science the more advanced you get, but just treat it as your "intuition." like you'll notice certain patterns when women are turned on, off, etc and you'll say hmmm ok so when i do this a woman does this________. thats all these videos and stuff online and on here are, just more advanced observations gone through hundreds even thousands of different people.


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Honestly, unless you are constantly in your head - reading these signs is literally as many people have said....it becomes a skill that you learn as you practice but to be honest it's extremely easy to pick up on these "subtle ones"

I mean really it's not too much work. If she's not facing towards you it could be a wind draft or something. I think body language is generally depending on the situation..but if you see a girl like clasping her arms...giving you a squinty face like ummm what....or something like that...which is considered "subtle" without vocals, then its so easy and stupid.

Thinking about body language or trying to "master" it is really ridiculous IMO. Sure you may be able to tell their moods and what not but it's still at best a guess based on their body language and isn't 100% right - so I don't like calling it a "Science"


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in order to accurately read peoples body language, people have to be doing something obvious or you need to observe them for long enough until they become predictable.

The latter you hardly have the luxury of doing with random girls unless you want to labelled as some kind of weirdo.

If you look at alot of body language videos they analyse a persons body language in hyancite ie after the event and then the so called expert attempts to make out that they predicted the subsequent event (what ended up actually happened) when they have actually witnessed the whole event whatever that may be already, prior to studying their subjects body language.

Talk about a steaming pile of shit.
That is not true at all. walk down the street, and I notice the way women and men react to me. i can immediately tell. subtle signs, but very clear. read some of the stuff that people here are writing about body language on here, a lot of it is very nail-on-the-head.

every girl i noticed playing with her hair and stealing a glance at my cock when we were talking, even if she was not aware of what she was doing, i boned. when a girl holds eye contact with me for a sec. longer than usual or more than once, i can confidently open and i never get shot down, at least not right away, the rest is practice dude.

don't disregard that shit just because you don't get it. check it out. work on your own body language. this "shit" does more for us than most other "techniques" you will learn as an aspiring PUA, or even as a social being generally. this has everything to do with pick-up, but even more so, with communication in general. check out NLP, most communication out there is NON VERBAL.


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Body language isn't about "reading" someone. You can't look at someone for less than 5 minutes and figure out their whole life story.

The only thing that you can ever figure out about body language is social standing. Who is an awkward loser, and who is confident. Who is scared, and who is calm. Who is out of their comfort zone, and who is completely unfazed. Who is fumbling their way towards sex, and who can do it smoothly.


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Body language isn't about "reading" someone. You can't look at someone for less than 5 minutes and figure out their whole life story.

The only thing that you can ever figure out about body language is social standing. Who is an awkward loser, and who is confident. Who is scared, and who is calm. Who is out of their comfort zone, and who is completely unfazed. Who is fumbling their way towards sex, and who can do it smoothly.
People are very easy to read once you've worked hard at it. You can tell what type of person they are because you get a good feel for people. When I started studying body language I thought of the best possible cheapest way to do it, well there are bar poker tournaments here. They are free(tip the dealer), and you can stare at people the whole time.

When you go to an environment like this where you start figuring out their reactions, how people react to what. Different personalities, you just get a good feel for people. Now at a cash game I would take a lot about their mindset into consideration based off social class, confidence, personality type by their apparel, their body language, their voice, their words. You notice everything when you are putting together a person, but it is easier then you think. You don't really make assumptions about a person, you use your understanding of natural human behavior to understand the type of person this person is. Did they overreact to something small? Was the overreaction fear or anger?

Most of the time if you understand body language well enough you know what caused that reaction, a thought or an event. When someone reacts to a thought their eyes move to access them(how they communicate with themselves). When they react to an event can tell you why. How they reacted to that event tells you a small bit about that person, when you get use to noticing those small bits everywhere you go you start realizing while people aren't always predictable but they usually are. Certain types of people gain certain habits. Insecure girls show anxiety, and constantly preen.

You can't figure anyone's life story out by that but you can certainly figure out what type of person someone is and thus make him predictable by his behaviors. You can almost always tell what types of events influence someone like that, if a girl had sexual abuse or rape, you just kind of know. If they had a rough child hood, you know, you just kind of get a feel. You may not know what happened but you know something did to condition this human to be the human they are today.

This by no means is something you can do in 2 weeks, it takes time and effort but you can certainly get to a point where you can connect with people with ease. Where you can understand them, it takes a lot of studying, and a lot of field work, a lot of conversations.

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