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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:09 pm 
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Hey, long time reader and lurker working on my skills from the shadows and i've finally got the courage to register today and am looking for some advice on how to handle my girl.

Some background, we've been together for 2 months and we spend entire weekends together ever since we started dating. Her feelings for me are questionable and i know she doesn't love me yet and i've never implied i have her either, waiting for her to go down that route first... anyway. We just had a fantastic weekend and we've been planning a trip to florida together since my Uncle owns a condo down there and i offered we can use it to stay at to save any hotel fees, shes a student and just lost her job recently and i've had to pay for every dinner so far. Last night after getting home she looked up flights. the price and dates were lookin' good and then she implied that I would be paying for the entire flight for her (we're canadian, toronto->miami is around $500 per person) so to get clarity I asked her when she was paying for her part? and she didn't take it well and now the following day I received this email from her:
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HI;

Couple things I need to address with you;

1) When you came to Sudbury you told me you were taking me to Le Château to buy a pink dress to wear for Valentine's Day with you, when there you purchased clothes for yourself, and the dress you said you were going to buy for me, well... you didn't. I had even told my mom that you were doing this for me. (To clear things up; this isn't a part of a valentine's day gift that I received on vday... this was a prior thing you had told me you were doing... etc...)

2) When I told you my ex was a douche, bought us tickets and I stated he payed for them, and then he didn't want to spend his money on me... and returned them, and we didn't go on the trip, long story short you said my ex is a loser, and that you'll treat me right. I also said at one point that I can't go on a trip to the music festival because I'm not working, and you said it's all good I'll take care of it babe.

I'm not saying you should buy me things, and I'm clearing that up so you don't think that and then we have another misunderstanding... but you say things to me and then don't follow through with them.. my mom actually questioned me about the whole dress situation.

I have the text messages saved between us and you stating all the above statements that have now led into unfortunate and saddening misunderstandings. Therefore when you said to me last night "I don't know how you ever got that impression," that is how.

Once again, don't come to me and say,.. I'm acting spoiled, or that I expect these things from you, because I don't... however this is what you lead me to believe. I don't have a job, therefore I don't understand why you would think I can pay you back for a trip to Florida... that'd also be why my mom was going to buy me a flight from Toronto to Sudbury... If you look back - seriously Tom, you would have known that, that was the impression you have me..
??? I don't think I should be paying for her flight much less all our dinner dates. I never said i'd buy her the dress either. I said MAYBE Cupid will get it for you for vday... but i ended up getting her a MK watch instead that she loves. I never offered or implied paying for this trip, my only offer was the condo my uncle has, that was my offer never to pay for her.

How should I handle this? Is she just a gold-digger? I feel like shes just with me to buy her things because her ex didn't. I havn't bought her anything yet aside from the obligated vday gift and dinner dates.

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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:51 pm 
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At first I thought she was spoiled or gold digger but she KINDA has a point.
First, 2 months together and you buy her an MK watch for vday? That's crazy. If you can buy a watch like that for vday after 2 months, don't blame a girl when she expects you to spend.
Next, if she lost her job recently, you gotta consider that when planning a trip with her. Know upfront before any planning if she has any money and if she can spend it on a trip before even considering it. Some guys will say don't pay for a girl's trip but as a man, if you want someone to come on a trip with you and they're not financial stable to afford it (you should have known this) pay for them OR don't even consider going with them.I work and I want my buddy to come with me on a roadtrip to vegas. He doesn't work and is broke so I'm paying his way. You can't know someone is broke, get them excited about a trip, have them start planning and then say, "so when are you paying?"
Lastly, don't promise a gift in any way you don't plan on getting. Even if you said Cupid might that's mean. By "might" most girls are gonna think you are and gonna surprise them. Don;t commit in any way to promises you cant or wont keep.
I can't tell if she's a gold digger, or if you may be playing the "I'm gonna pay for things" role and she's just gotten that image of you so now she's mad you lied.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:28 am 
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Thanks for the reply.

The dress was originally going to be the vday gift but I opted for the better of the two and went with the watch. I didn't say I was going to get it for her then didn't, I got her something better instead. Its only been two months together but the relationship has progressed really fast and while an Mk watch may seem like a lot she equally spent on me with a Niagara falls beer and wine tasting trip.

Maybe I have set up being the provider for her but I don't know how to get out of it when she doesn't have a job because she's in school. I don't want her to assume I'll be paying for things like this.

I never offered to pay for the trip and I didn't just spring it on her to pay her way at the last minute. It was always that she was expected to pay her way until she told me otherwise at the last minute that she couldn't. Or wouldn't. She won't do a pay-me-back later deal either so I think she just likes me to spend on her. If I'm not paying she doesn't want to go.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 12:41 am 
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Thanks for the reply.

The dress was originally going to be the vday gift but I opted for the better of the two and went with the watch. I didn't say I was going to get it for her then didn't, I got her something better instead. Its only been two months together but the relationship has progressed really fast and while an Mk watch may seem like a lot she equally spent on me with a Niagara falls beer and wine tasting trip.

Maybe I have set up being the provider for her but I don't know how to get out of it when she doesn't have a job because she's in school. I don't want her to assume I'll be paying for things like this.

I never offered to pay for the trip and I didn't just spring it on her to pay her way at the last minute. It was always that she was expected to pay her way until she told me otherwise at the last minute that she couldn't. Or wouldn't. She won't do a pay-me-back later deal either so I think she just likes me to spend on her. If I'm not paying she doesn't want to go.
best advice I can give is read mark rudov's book...under the clitoral hood. dont bother paying. women really dont appreciate people who have to pay. the odd meal ok and the odd present but not all the time


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:24 am 
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Its a matter of perception vs. reality.

You probably had no intentions of leading her on but at some point you came across this way. You'll have to take at least some responsibility for that.

To be honest, the red flag I see is the way she wrote that email. This could totally have been cleared up with a simple conversation about her situation and the ability to pay for a vacation. I'm sure you would have been like, "ok, fair enough. I didn't mean to lead you on like that, I'm sorry."

But now this email kind of shows a different side to her that, for me at least, is a bit unattractive.

She does have a reason to question your intentions because it seems you've been a tad vague. But she didnt have to go that far, and then get her fking mom involved. There are obvious communication issues between the both of you, thats the good news. Just being up front and having a conversation should squash issues like these...a good majority of the time.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 1:49 am 
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RiRi brings up a point I missed. Yeah the email is a red flag. How old are you? How old is she? How wealthy are both of you? Is she the materialistic /brand name type?
Does sound a tad bit like she wants you to act a certain role and the email does sound a tad materialistic. Maybe you're wealthy or have made her believe you can afford more than you can, in which case it could be that she thinks since you COULD afford it, that you must not care about her if you're having her pay. Either way, be honest about what you can afford. If you attracted her by acting like you enjoy a lifestyle that you don't, this is what you get. Let her know what you can afford , if you don't have the money to be doing trips and dinners like this. If she's a quality girl, she'll suck it up and eat macaroni and cheese on your bedroom floor. If she's not...she's gone.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:09 am 
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You need to get rid of this chick ASAP. She is NOT LTR material. I don't care if your a millionare you should not be establishing the pattern of providing for her, ESPECIALLY this early in the relationship. She is grooming you to be her sugar daddy/provider. You've been sending signals that you will 'take care of her', paying for all the dinners and buying her expensive gifts after just 2 months which is just encouraging her gold digging behaviour.

Let me give you some contrast on your situation here. I've been with my girl for 3 years, and in that time, ALL of our expendatures have been %50. I make twice as much as her yet she offers to pay EVERY SINGLE TIME we go out. I have to actually tell her to put her wallet away otherwise it would be more like %80 - %20 her way. She lost her job at one point so she started using her credit card and got into some debt, but still offered to pay for everything. Her financial problems are just that, HER PROBLEMS. When we go on a holiday together, we pay for our own flights, and everything is split down the middle. My girl wouldn't even LET me pay for her even if i offered. She showers me with expensive gifts regularly because she gets a huge kick out of it. If she ever asked to borrow money, even ONCE that would be a HUGE red flag for me. Why would i want to be with a girl that cant take care of herself?

Hope that gives you a better perspective on your situation.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 3:38 am 
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It does. Thank you.

some more insight and update:

I am 29 and she is 21. I am very established in my career and DO live a lavish lifestyle. I try to be a modest man but I do drive an audi ttrs sports car and i know right off the bat she loved it but that doesn't mean I want to provide or pay for her just because I am well off. She is a student and lost her nursing job at Christmas time which was a week after we started dating. She's broke as hell and even though i wanted to set up a 50/50 deal i know she can't afford to keep up... but then again she still goes out for dinners with her friends, and did again tonight and thats why she "took so long to reply".

Anyways, I replied and now she's taking some time to think so I told her so am I.

here's my reply:
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I didn't say I would buy you the dress, I said maybe cupid will get it for you as a Valentine's day GIFT not that I'm getting it for you to WEAR on Valentine's day. That would've been your Valentine's day gift.

I didn't get the dress because I wanted to surprise you with something better. If you really liked the dress I figured you could buy it yourself or your mom could buy it if you wanted it so badly. The watch is a timeless piece you can wear everyday I don't know why you are upset about this as the dress you would probably only wear once. If you still want the dress I can give you a gift receipt for the watch and you can bring it back and get the dress.

I meant I could take care of the housing situation as my uncle has a condo there. Hotels are a costly part of the trip and a flight alone is alot cheaper then having to worry about paying for a hotel as well. I mentioned the trip because I thought you were working part time or could do some cleaning or side job for earned cash so you start saving up for it because it would be you paying for your half and me covering myself and the boarding. I would of course help cover dinners. I don't think it's right for you to mention the ex because its irrelevant to the whole situation and you can't compare me and the things I do to another person ex or not.

Well did your mother like the watch I got you or does she think the dress would have been better? You can't expect me to always cover for you as I'm goin to school too so I have money tied up in it and investments as well. I'd like to help you out when I can and I hope you appreciate what I do for you when I can and do nice things for you.

I don't think you act spoiled but you need to respect me when I can't always do the things for you that I wish I could. I do try my best to make you happy. I want you to enjoy fun things with me but you will need to bring something to the table at times if its not too much to ask.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 26, 2013 4:24 am 
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Dude, 29 with an established career taking a 21 year old seriously??? Facepalm

You shouldnt have bought the watch in the first place. If you wanted to sleep with a hot 21 yr old, fine, but gifts are only going to put you in the older guy who pays for stuff category. Especially when you're not even sure if she loves you. What 21 yr old college student isn't going to expect the lavish older bf with an audi to pay for stuff? When you date women who you are that much ahead of financially and lifestylewise, you gotta expect them to want you to pay for stuff and spoil them. That's why it's better to date people within your own bracket. Date successful women in their 20's, or younger girls who come from money.
Trust me, you're screwed. Even if you change things now, she's going to be resentful.If you were a girl and dating Brad Pitt, would'nt you feel resentful if he tried to make you pay for your ticket to Paris? You'd be like WTF.
I'm well off as well, work alot and college girls don't understand money and finances. Sure, my salary is great, nice car but I'm saving money for grad school and certifications to make more. When I date college girls, they see a nice apartment, nice car and assume that I can afford more than I would like to. They don't understand the car is leased, the apartment is overpriced, car insurance is much higher than theirs and maintaining a comfortable lifestyle is expensive. All they think is "well, he has an $50,000 car so he should be able to afford dinner every week."


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She can afford to go out for dinner with friends etc because she knows she has you to pay for other stuff. Anyway sounds like your happy being this girls provider. Just be warned that the more you provide for this girl the less respect she is going to have for you. Eventually it will get to the point where she has so little respect for you that she will keep you around just as a provider while she fucks someone more alpha. Probably a poor alpha that drives a crappy car and makes just as little money as her, but she won't care, because he is alpha and doesn't buy her stuff to keep her around. She will also start to use sex as her currency with you (since her attraction will be so low she won't even want to fuck you, unless you buy her shit). Just a heads up. Best of luck.


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Yeah when she told me she was out to dinner tonight that was the last straw. I will not be her provider and already got 3 new numbers to hit up tomorrow. If her response is good I'll use her for sex and not pay for anything and see how long she lasts anything negative and she's cut.


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Yeah when she told me she was out to dinner tonight that was the last straw. I will not be her provider and already got 3 new numbers to hit up tomorrow. If her response is good I'll use her for sex and not pay for anything and see how long she lasts anything negative and she's cut.
Her response means nothing. It's her behavior that matters. I'm glad to hear your sarging other girls. I foresee this girl putting up resistance when you stop paying for her, since she has already firmly slotted you into the "provider" category hence when you try to switch to "lover" it will be incongruent. Eg "you know I can't afford x if you cared about me you would want to help me" etc


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OP, give her a chance. You sound like you do have feelings for her. You're in a relationship with her. If you want to hit up other girls, dump her now. Talk to her calmly, in person, let her know that it has nothing to do with you not caring for her. Gaming other women sounds good on paper, but it will only destroy your relationship and make this cloudy situation more so. She may pull away when she hears about the lack of spending, or she may surprise you, break down and open up to you about her insecurities about money and still want to be with you. I've known girls who I've had similar situations with or despite seeming goldigger, they spun around once I was honest with them, opened up about how they were just raised to see bfs as providers and then said they didnt care and cooked for me repeatedly. All I'm saying is u may be 99% sure she'll leave but don't complicate things by cheating or gaming too soon.


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Agreed with all above on a few points but let me address YOUR email.

As a 29 yr old, established dude, you have no obligation to answer to any of her stupid questions/demands. But you responded to every part in your email to her. Why drop yourself to her level like that? She doesn't deserve a fking explanation for everything she outlined.

If you wanted to salvage something, there was a much better way of getting your point across (use more words like "we" etc.) But it seems you're done with her now? Moving forward, don't even acknowledge her bullshit. The more you respond the more she's getting validation for being psycho.

Otherwise, great that you're moving on.


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there is a reason she has all these expectations and it's likely your own fault, you have set this frame for yourself by saying things like ''maybe cupid will buy you XYZ'', maybe in your mind this means what ever, but in her mind it means something else, just don't even leave room for her to have those expectations if you will not pull through on them, be fine with not being liked, eventually they get over it and if she can't then she is likely not a good fit for you

stop buying this girl stuff and be honest and manage her expectations, if you don't this will only become a bigger problem down the road, and if it ends here because it's already too much of a problem then you're probably just saving yourself a headache of a girlfriend anyways

if I were responding to her email, I'd just simply let her know where I stand, no thx jeff, not paying for you, boyfriend, not disposable bank account

''we have come to a misunderstanding here, no I will not be buying a plane ticket for you or a dress, I like you, not buying you things''


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