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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:30 am 
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You're not a bitch, OP. You're a smart guy. You just ran into a woman who is more socially savvy than you.
Void keeps giving "speak your need" advice to guys who are still courting a woman. It's terrible, needy advice for gorgeous women in the early stages.
She's not socially savvy. She's more socially retarded. I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life. You have this thing where you think that just because a woman is good looking it makes her act like sociopaths or clinically defined as narcissists. This isn't normal behavior for any woman.

EDIT: Damn...Neo beat me to it.

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You're not a bitch, OP. You're a smart guy. You just ran into a woman who is more socially savvy than you.
Void keeps giving "speak your need" advice to guys who are still courting a woman. It's terrible, needy advice for gorgeous women in the early stages.
She's not socially savvy. She's more socially retarded. I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life. You have this thing where you think that just because a woman is good looking it makes her act like sociopaths or clinically defined as narcissists. This isn't normal behavior for any woman.
Lol yeah, thats not normal behavior. If she thinks you could be a psycho...she shouldnt be at your place alone in the first place.


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As Neo stated, something is very bizarre about her not disclosing where she lives. This is not normal behavior by any means.

For me I'd have a need for transparency not being met and I'd want to know why. You shying away from this is telling as to where you stand in this relationship.


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You're not a bitch, OP. You're a smart guy. You just ran into a woman who is more socially savvy than you.
Void keeps giving "speak your need" advice to guys who are still courting a woman. It's terrible, needy advice for gorgeous women in the early stages.
She's not socially savvy. She's more socially retarded. I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life. You have this thing where you think that just because a woman is good looking it makes her act like sociopaths or clinically defined as narcissists. This isn't normal behavior for any woman.

EDIT: Damn...Neo beat me to it.
Arch is insecure about his physical appearance hence he does his best to attract '8s and 9s' so as to validate his own insecurities. The majority of his posts have an almost obsessive like focus on physical appearance as being an indicator of a woman's value. He's no qualms towards posting photos of women on this forum yet not a single one with him in it. I've yet to hear him mention anything about any non tangibles such as personality, rather in his worldview its all about attracting (and keeping) 9s and 10s at any cost to one's self. .


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PostPosted: Sat Jun 03, 2017 12:50 am 
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Guess what Arch, he didnt walk her out after sex, she confronted him, you said great she's chasing. Then what? Did she invite him over? Did she fuck him? This move you congratulated, see...it didnt change anything. In fact, from OP's words, the chick still didnt see him until he asked for a phone call. So if the not walking her out was a good move, there were no results from it.
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Also when I texted her and "Spoke my needs" i said "Hey this isn't working for me. Call me if you want to talk. Otherwise take care." She called me within 5 minutes and apologized for not hanging out recently and then mentioned she felt like being used. I said the opposite was true. I told her "Hey i like you and I don't want you to think I'm just using you for sex. But I also have a problem with you leaving abruptly after sex" She said she had to get home due to an early day the next day and I said I understood. I also mentioned that its a little odd I haven't been to her place. "She said she'd invite me sometime, spontaneously"
So I did say that.

So really, I did make those things clear. I havent hooked up with her yet to see if she'll stick around. And she hasn't had me over to her place yet
OP, you did not speak your needs. First, speaking your needs isnt started with a text saying, hey this isnt working for me, otherwise take care. Then, when she called, she spoke her needs and you brought up your needs but you were more concerned with hers. I cant speak for void, fuck it, I'll speak for void...he nor I or anyone was saying to do this.

Look man, my personal opinion this girl is feeding you bs. Maybe she has a bf at home, maybe she is fucking other dudes and lied abt it, maybe she's not interested and doesnt want to put in effort, maybe she doesnt like the sex, maybe she has intimacy issues. But the chick is bsing on you. Cause guess what man, if this was about feeling like you dont care, youve asked her to talk more, SHE is the one rushing out after sex. Chick knows you like her and she's claiming she's on the same page to hold back.

Something's up. This is like a girl cheating on her bf. When the bf tries to fuck her, she creates distance to not have sex with him. Thats like your chick. She's purposefully creating distance and either its intimacy or something else. Guess what, if it were because you were needy, she already isnt fucking you, she already sees you 1x a week. Shed just ghost you. There is something with this chick where she just doesnt want to/cant talk to you like that, stay after sex or invite you over. Because if she did, she would.
My clinical view from the limited information posted is that its possible she has an ambivalent/avoidant attachment style. In lay terms, she holds some unhealthy views towards closeness to others; when she senses her vulnerability in a relationship she seeks proximity to feel safe again. The issue isn't intimacy itself its more that there's a learned pattern of behavior where fear of vulnerability overrides there ability to seek closeness to another.

She may not be this way, however she does seem to spend a lot of energy distancing herself from the Op, or at least keeping him at an arm's length away w/o really getting close.


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My clinical view from the limited information posted is that its possible she has an ambivalent/avoidant attachment style. In lay terms, she holds some unhealthy views towards closeness to others; when she senses her vulnerability in a relationship she seeks proximity to feel safe again. The issue isn't intimacy itself its more that there's a learned pattern of behavior where fear of vulnerability overrides there ability to seek closeness to another.

She may not be this way, however she does seem to spend a lot of energy distancing herself from the Op, or at least keeping him at an arm's length away w/o really getting close.


This is incredibly stupid.

All women do this when they're not sure about a guy.

Don't be so quick to label women as defective or damaged. When in most cases its just the laws of attraction at play. You're revealing your limited experience with women, Void when you act like women who are independent and strong are somehow all flawed psychologically.

Maybe the OP isn't doing it for her?

Maybe the OP overplayed the "smooth" pickup artist early on.

Maybe she is really busy.


These are more likely than your amateurish armchair diagnoses.

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My clinical view from the limited information posted is that its possible she has an ambivalent/avoidant attachment style. In lay terms, she holds some unhealthy views towards closeness to others; when she senses her vulnerability in a relationship she seeks proximity to feel safe again. The issue isn't intimacy itself its more that there's a learned pattern of behavior where fear of vulnerability overrides there ability to seek closeness to another.

She may not be this way, however she does seem to spend a lot of energy distancing herself from the Op, or at least keeping him at an arm's length away w/o really getting close.


This is incredibly stupid.

All women do this when they're not sure about a guy.

Don't be so quick to label women as defective or damaged. When in most cases its just the laws of attraction at play. You're revealing your limited experience with women, Void when you act like women who are independent and strong are somehow all flawed psychologically.

Maybe the OP isn't doing it for her?

Maybe the OP overplayed the "smooth" puickup artst early on.

Maybe she is really busy.


These are more likely than your amateurish armchair diagnoses.
Actually they don't 1 month in.

-"barely texted, maybe once every 2-3 days and took hours to text back."
-"have sex and she leaves pretty abruptly afterwards, doesn't try to cuddle"
-"weird about letting me know where she lives "
-"had sex and she left quickly afterwards"...."saying she kinda felt like a prostitute because I didn't really walk her out or anything"

Far from normal, depending on what your standard of 'normal' is, which leads me to believe you're meeting some pretty unstable girls, Arch Stanton.


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I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life.
That's because the women you date don't accrue stalkers.

Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork.

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I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life.
That's because the women you date don't accrue stalkers.

Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork.
Several of the women I've dated have (by no fault of their own). I've yet to have one who withheld where she'd lived 1 month in.

Seriously give your head a shake.


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I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life.
That's because the women you date don't accrue stalkers.

Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork.
So lets just look at your statements for a sec.

A woman has reservations towards feeling safe with you yet has sex with you, in YOUR place, yet refuses to tell you where she lives...

Are you really that naive to believe that she's simply withholding because of a fear of being stalked?

If so I've got a pool in the desert I'd like to sell you.


"Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork." <=replace gorgeous with "SECURE" and I can believe in this statement. I've met many women who are 'gorgeous' yet are extremely naive with men, often times because they lack confidence in themselves and often unwittingly put themselves in potentially dangerous situations.


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I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life.
That's because the women you date don't accrue stalkers.

Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork.
I like how you tell me about my life and what I do. It's cute.

Let me tell you how women really are. Once they assume you are worth having sex with when it comes to multiple occasions, they're not worried about you being a stalker. In fact, they will find reasons to think as many positive things as they can about you. Women want to think the best of you and after sex is when the wall comes down. If they are having sex with you but scared you may be a stalker, it's more likely that there is something wrong with them.

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I've never come across a woman that refuses to let me know where she lives even though she's had sex with me unless she was hiding something about her home life.
That's because the women you date don't accrue stalkers.

Gorgeous women are typically more careful and patient when determining the emotional state of a man because they have this type coming out of the woodwork.
I like how you tell me about my life and what I do. It's cute.

Let me tell you how women really are. Once they assume you are worth having sex with when it comes to multiple occasions, they're not worried about you being a stalker. In fact, they will find reasons to think as many positive things as they can about you. Women want to think the best of you and after sex is when the wall comes down. If they are having sex with you but scared you may be a stalker, it's more likely that there is something wrong with them.
You really took the lead their Jack. Careful you might turn Arch on.


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Let me tell you how women really are. Once they assume you are worth having sex with when it comes to multiple occasions, they're not worried about you being a stalker. In fact, they will find reasons to think as many positive things as they can about you.


That's not necessarily true. Some women have several men on rotation. Some just want to be FWB, and don't want to fall in love with you (at least not yet). Others are very guarded about their privacy, and have been burned before by stalkers.

Women today will have sex with you, and not give two fucks about you. Often they are in it for "the score" themselves. in a lot of ways, women act more dominant than most men do, thus the need for this forum.

Is the behavior of the woman in the OP's post ideal?

No.

But it doesn't mean "something is wrong" either. It's an awfully simplistic viewpoint.

When you start dating the more socially valuable women, Jack, you'll see this play out more often.

edit: note of personal experience, I had a girl at my place for a month and a half before giving me her address. We fucked probably 10-15 times. We were not in a relationship. We'd have sex, and she'd leave. One day she invited me to her place, cooked me a meal, and said she wanted to be exclusive.

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When you start dating the more socially valuable women, Jack, you'll see this play out more often.
This can almost be classified as a Neg, almost.


Arch sounding like a disgruntled 20-something w renewed confidence after coming off a fresh reading of The Game.

Get back to rehearsing those routines to bring them 9s and 10s to 2s and 3s so they can see you being at their level.


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Whatever, I'm done arguing. hitting the strip club tonight with my girl and her friend.

Clearly we have differing views on how the OP should proceed, and I can leave it at that.

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