I am new the idea of NLP and purchased some books from amazon last night to get acquainted with it per suggestions in recent posts.

I purchased:
NLP for beginners 4ed authored by Vaknin, Shlomo
The Big Book of NLP 200+ patterns by Vaknin, Shlomo
and
Monsters and Magical Sticks by Steven Heller

I also plan to get Igor's Conversational Hypnosis later this month.

What I am wondering is, what are indicators that someone is NLP'ing you?
Is it possible using NLP and/or Igor's system to set up defenses for yourself by arming your own subconscious to resist an invader's attempt to hijack you?

I understand some concepts and seen some of the story telling implementation of NLP but am looking for more depth.

Let's say for example in an office space at work their is mild rivalry between a group of programmers who are a team and get things done together but at the same time compete and cannibalize each other in order create value for themselves in the eyes of upper management. Suppose one of them uses NLP or Igor Hypnosis on me? Is there a way for me to immediately identify, defend and counter attack? Can I set up these defense mechanism to myself without sabotaging my own self-help efforts of self hypnosis?

I appreciate any experienced NLPer/HypnoPUA understanding and insight. Thanks.

Actually it's not NLPers you have to worry anout. It's everybody else. People who don't know the power of conversation, who use words carelessly. My own mother is one of these people. I call her out on it and try to explain to her how her words are poison to others. She is always warning me of what COULD go wrong but she words it as though it WILL go wrong.

I'll give you an example. Bit of pre warning. People who speak this way should be avoided. My example is a small drop in the sea but never let a person bombard you with that type of speaking.

Me: "Hey mom, I have some great news. A friend and I are opening a business"

Her: "You shouldn't trust other people. You WILL lose all your money"

The particularily bad thing about the way it's worded is the word will. It's a strong "hot" type word. It has many similar meanings. To overpower, overcome ect or that something WILL happen no matter what and it can't avoided. It's particularily bad at the end of a sentence because the conscious brain might be busy processing the idea's before hand, then the suggestion is thrown in there. A better wording would be

"You could lose all your money"

Uuggg I don't like even talking about this stuff. If you studied the super conscious and the conscious brain enough you would avoid that type of negativity like the plague.

I pay very close attention to what I think and from what perspective. It makes a big difference.

Interview 10 millionaires and you will find at least 9 of them have a positive mindset. They all say if they had nothing they could get it all back again.

Interview 10 homeless people and you will find 9 of them have a negative mindset. They like to say things such as "I can't because...{insert excuse}". Many of them will say if they had an opportunity they would mess it up like they always do.

Negative mindstates are poisonous. Most NLPers wouldn't go anywhere near it. They have to subject themselves to the suggestions they are throwing out there.

To answer your question. I like to imagine I have a magical sheild that deflects negativity. You can break things down into good/bad, negative/positive and keep it very simple. The brain takes care of details for you. The intention is more important than the suggestions themselves. It's not the words that are powerful but the succession of thoughts that follow. Make sure your brain follows the right set of idea's.

Hi Rakeal
I read your post before I received my first book from Amazon.com, "Monsters and Magical Sticks" and although what you said was interesting at that point in time, I had doubts about its validity. After receiving my book and I am on chapter 9 now about 129 pages in, I now 100% agree with you and your post makes absolute total sense.

There is no such thing as Hypnosis? ...LOL a very powerful question about the perceptions of what people believe hypnosis looks like in order for it to be hypnosis.

It amazed me to discover that we are bombarded with hypnosis on a daily basis and it all comes from everyday normal language from everyday people, news outlets, marketing and much more. Even if a person has not been trained to understand hypnosis, their speech, may get lucky and setup incredible life changing patterns that send ripples of impact though the year's of one's life.

I am discovering that a good defense like you say is to stay away from highly charged negatives that can impact one's subconscious.

I find the author amusing when he suggestively writes in the book as he describes techniques he often uses or says ..."as a people-helper" as if installing an ethical code in your subconscious in the event you become a practitioner. I have no doubt that when I learn these skills I will help people along the way, but my first priority is to help me. Hypnosis/NLP will be a tool to enrich the learning process between a woman and myself in order to emotional connect thus establishing meaningful relationships.

It was interesting to note in the book that when a elementary grade school teacher teaches a student 2+2=4 or how to spell the word "cat" as in C-A-T, that the learning process is no different than a form of hypnosis by reinforcing the information. So it is when you interact with a woman to teach her that a relationship with you would be a very meaningful aspect of her life.

Thank you Rakeal for contributing to the thread and answering my question. I hope others find value in it as well.

Create an nlp blocker pattern for your self
Call it the anti persuade pattern

When ever some one tell you to imagine
Tell him you won't
When ever some one ask you if you have ever wonderd something
Tell them you don't wonder
If they ask you if you have realised Tell them if they have realized

Listen attentively don't jump to conclude sentences if you are in communication


For example you are to make a presentation or deliver a speech
And you are preparing



A rival may try to embed fear ,panicked or stress into your head by saying to you
Have you ever taking your time to realise the stress some people go through when. They deliver a speech ?like soon you will be delivering a speech and you will see that you will start to stutter ,and when you realise that , you just ,realise that you frustrated you will be sweating profusely and not a word you utter will make sense,imaging standing in front of our boss and you can see your self not being able to deliver that speech ?do you realise what I mean.?you are a failure ,you are a failure you will see .......

Just go out there and try doing the presentation if I were you I'd rather do something else I don't want to be in your shoes ....at this moment I don't think any body wants to be in your shoes ....



Do you see what that message does to you?it destroys your seel..So the moment that guy starts saying ....have you ever ....let the alarm start ringing In. Your head bc is you are about to be taking on a trance ..?these words you use yourself without placing a lot of emphasis on them but they are phrases and words that attack people's subconscious and manipulate them ...you don't believe me


Ok read this :

Have you ever taking the time to get the taste of a lemon on your tongue just by thinking about lemons?imagine you were to have the juice of a lemon on your tongue right now .do you taste it?

And those were stuffs you read bro ....hahaha

So any time they start manipulating you with convincing words ...you just create your own deconvining nlp for example branding him as an enemy thus automatically rejecting everything from him ...try creating an auto reject nlp for the lemon pattern if you are able to do that you might be able to auto reject plenty nlps

Imagine this like Jedi mind tricks. "they work on the weak minded". As you gain mastery, you aren't weak minded. You'll hear the patterns and know what's up. Do affirmations, visualize success, and rehearse so you get predictable outcomes. Once in a while you'll get someone who can lead back, but that's rare. Protect your ego and positive attitude. If it wanes, you know it's time to pull back and focus on your inner game.

Like Ross says, imagine a conversation is like Top Gun School. You maneuver and get the other person into positions where you can take the virtual shot and win the game. If you actually have any control, and are leading, you are ahead of almost everyone, and won't be lead. Worst case you'll be engaged and know you are talking to someone who can also lead a conversation.

It's like people leave the house going 'What can I learn today'. You need to be more 'what can I teach today'. And when it's time to learn, verify the person you are trusting to put ideas in your head is qualified and trustworthy, not just anyone.

It's kind of irky to see people going out wanting to create like " An anti NLPers pattern " or whatever. To defend yourself from NLPers, Hypnotists, or any persuasion-skilled person, you have to use that one thing Igor describes as " the arch enemy of Hypnosis "

CRITICAL THINKING

It's seriously that simple. In NLP, or for my case Conversational Hypnosis, we use techniques or language patterns, pacing&leading, double binds, awareness frames, causal linkages and thousands of others, why ? To avoid the critical factor from shooting up, it's the only thing that stands still in the face of our suggestions. Whenever you're asked to accept ( or even decline ) an idea, just think critically.

PS: I like your office space example, because I can relate to. The problem here is, if you get the Critical thinking right, you won't have really any problem with manipulators, BUT, you can't teach OTHER people to think critically. What I mean by that is, the manipulator could easily " Poisinfluence " ( as I like to tell my students ) another person hierarchily higher than you, maybe a boss, so the boss starts to see your flaws, maybe even some flaws that don't exist. I had a perfect similiar experience, and I had to do some influence of my own to do some damage control.

you can defend yourself from NLP by listening to what people are actually saying and not just acting like a dog responding to tone. by having a brain and using it by thinking for yourself. peace!