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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:13 pm 
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Met up with a girl a couple weeks ago. We were both very hungover from the night before.
Anyway we chill, get on well, one thing leads to another and we end up 69ing and i cum in her mouth.
I leave later that night, told her it was fun and it would be cool to do it again. She seems hesitant like shes not sure.
I get home and she explains that shes worried about getting attached, hasnt been single long and wants to enjoy it. I told her its cool either way, then she says she will see how she feels.
She agrees to meet again, 2 weeks later (last night).

We have some drinks, play some card games. She even ended up teaching me some dance, and we did stretches and stuff (quite drunk, told her about a slipped disc in my back and she knew some things which would help it). Really random night.
Anyway we end up in bed, 69ing again. I push her off to fuck her and she says, 'Can i just please you tonight?'. I told her I wanted to please her too. She weirdly reluctantly agrees and I go down on her, after a while she says shes too tired and isnt feeling it (not exactly her words but thats what she meant).
So we sleep.
Next morning she makes me breakfast, and explains that being close and spooning etc reminds her of her ex so thats why she was distant. She said her 'body wasnt into it' with regards to me going down on her and potential for sex. And she said she sees me as a friend. I came out with, 'great, so ive been friendzoned?'. She said no, and said she finds me really attractive but not in an erotic way. (But she was sucking me off the night before?).
I got up and left (not in a butthurt way, just in a casual, dont really care way). I hugged her and she went in for a kiss, which i obliged but kept short and let go of her, and she thanked me for coming. What a mind fuck.

So right now i've basically decided not to talk to her again. She suggested we still text and see how things go but I dont want to just see her as a friend, so whats the point. She also said she doesn't really want to date anymore, since shes working 3 jobs and barely has any time. Shes up at 6am, doesnt get home until 6pm and goes to the gym, then asleep by 10/half 10 to repeat. I could tell she was tired as soon as I got there.

Worth noting I do know how to make a girl cum and find it pretty easy, im just at a loss as to what is going on in this girls head. Any thoughts?

Edit: She's not your typical 'up herself' girl either who would do stuff like that just to mindfuck guys for pleasure. At least I think not. She's fairly average looking, German girl living in the UK by herself in an apartment. She was giving me hand massages and stuff, like affectionate one minute then denying sex and any kind of intimacy the next. I mainly want some opinions just to find out if I fucked up so I dont do it in future.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:50 pm 
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Im confused...doesnt 69 mean you're going down on her?


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 3:52 pm 
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Im confused...doesnt 69 mean you're going down on her?
69 means i'm eating her out while she sucks me off with her on top. Surprised you dont know, its been around for decades.


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PostPosted: Sat Apr 01, 2017 4:17 pm 
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Im confused...doesnt 69 mean you're going down on her?
69 means i'm eating her out while she sucks me off with her on top. Surprised you dont know, its been around for decades.
No I mean, 69 involves you going down on her...so its weird that you'd be 69'ing then she'd have a problem with you going down on her. If that's the case, the 69 wasnt really pleasurable for her, and for her it was just a bj. I dont think she is really turned on, maybe the escalation is off.


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Met up with a girl a couple weeks ago. We were both very hungover from the night before.
Anyway we chill, get on well, one thing leads to another and we end up 69ing and i cum in her mouth.
I leave later that night, told her it was fun and it would be cool to do it again. She seems hesitant like shes not sure.
Always make her cum.
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I get home and she explains that shes worried about getting attached, hasnt been single long and wants to enjoy it.
She wouldn't say this to a guy who made her cum.

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I go down on her, after a while she says shes too tired and isnt feeling it (not exactly her words but thats what she meant).
You're not making her cum.

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She said her 'body wasnt into it' with regards to me going down on her and potential for sex.
Translation: "You don't know what you're doing, and it makes me unsure about you."

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And she said she sees me as a friend.
Friend-zoned because you were bad in bed.

Happens to 95% of guys.

the two weeks hesitation was her giving you another chance.

I cannot emphasize enough how important good sex is for women in the 8,9,10 category. They will completely blow you off, cruelly, if you don't get them off. They have guys lined up waiting to try.

There is nothing weird about her behavior. All attractive women behave this way with hesitant, non-dominant potential male sexual partners.

And then they bail.

The good news is, you got the lay. The bad news is, you failed the try out. There's nothing wrong with your "connect" game, obviously, just your bedroom game. Women become obsessed with men who are dominant in bed (tossing them around, flipping them into different positions by the ankle or hair, and not asking, fucking forcefully, and making them orgasm).

Also, a 69 is a bad way to start a sexual relationship, as it's a submissive act as she's sitting on your face. Make a woman feel dominated early on, and save the 69's for later.

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Met up with a girl a couple weeks ago. We were both very hungover from the night before.
Anyway we chill, get on well, one thing leads to another and we end up 69ing and i cum in her mouth.
I leave later that night, told her it was fun and it would be cool to do it again. She seems hesitant like shes not sure.
Always make her cum.
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I get home and she explains that shes worried about getting attached, hasnt been single long and wants to enjoy it.
She wouldn't say this to a guy who made her cum.

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I go down on her, after a while she says shes too tired and isnt feeling it (not exactly her words but thats what she meant).
You're not making her cum.

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She said her 'body wasnt into it' with regards to me going down on her and potential for sex.
Translation: "You don't know what you're doing, and it makes me unsure about you."

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And she said she sees me as a friend.
Friend-zoned because you were bad in bed.

Happens to 95% of guys.

the two weeks hesitation was her giving you another chance.

I cannot emphasize enough how important good sex is for women in the 8,9,10 category. They will completely blow you off, cruelly, if you don't get them off. They have guys lined up waiting to try.

There is nothing weird about her behavior. All attractive women behave this way with hesitant, non-dominant potential male sexual partners.

And then they bail.

The good news is, you got the lay. The bad news is, you failed the try out. There's nothing wrong with your "connect" game, obviously, just your bedroom game. Women become obsessed with men who are dominant in bed (tossing them around, flipping them into different positions by the ankle or hair, and not asking, fucking forcefully, and making them orgasm).

Also, a 69 is a bad way to start a sexual relationship, as it's a submissive act as she's sitting on your face. Make a woman feel dominated early on, and save the 69's for later.
Guess that makes sense.
With regards to the 2 weeks thing. Last week we were supposed to meet but her long time friend was moving back to France and they were all having a night out which she didnt want to miss, understandable, i'd do the same over some girl i've met once. And during the week its not possible because how early she sleeps and how much work she has to do.
But it didnt help that both times I met her she was either really hungover and tired or just really tired, and drunk last time too.
I can usually make girls cum pretty easily thru oral or fingering too, maybe shes just particularly difficult.
By the way I was quite rough with her when she was going down on me, to the point where she threw up some wine in her mouth, so she stopped and brushed her teeth lol, im not sure the rough thing applies to all girls.
To confirm I didn't get the lay, i never fucked her, she rejected me twice before it got to that, and fell asleep soon after. Shes dropping to two jobs from Monday so she wont be so exhausted.
I guess it's not salvageable now is it. I just dont understand her kindness the following morning. And even trying to make out with me before i left.
Shes fairly lonely when shes out of work so i guess no contact is my best bet. Have a couple lined up for next week but this pick up thing wears on me a little, i feel a sense of emptiness hopping from one to the next running the same get to know you game. I cannot settle any time soon either as im moving in September. She mentioned too that I see a lot of girls, which I admitted but told her I dont see multiple girls at once, and I put her above a lot of them because we could have mentally stimulating conversation and are both driven to succeed.
Just venting here.


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Guess that makes sense.
With regards to the 2 weeks thing. Last week we were supposed to meet but her long time friend was moving back to France and they were all having a night out which she didnt want to miss, understandable, i'd do the same over some girl i've met once. And during the week its not possible because how early she sleeps and how much work she has to do.
Always pay attention to a woman's actions, not her words. A woman who is obsessed with a man will find time, and fast.
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But it didnt help that both times I met her she was either really hungover and tired or just really tired, and drunk last time too.
I would not pay attention to any of this. Irrelevant details, IMHO.
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I can usually make girls cum pretty easily thru oral or fingering too, maybe shes just particularly difficult.
By the way I was quite rough with her when she was going down on me, to the point where she threw up some wine in her mouth, so she stopped and brushed her teeth lol, im not sure the rough thing applies to all girls.
It may not. But that's a bit different than what I described.
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I guess it's not salvageable now is it.

The only way to salvage friend zone is to show up with another woman around the woman who friend-zoned you.

Getting put into the friend zone means she no longer sees you as a sexual option. Either you were to nice, not a challenge, or bad in bed.


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i feel a sense of emptiness hopping from one to the next running the same get to know you game.
Yep. that's why, as others have said here, the goal of PUA is not to fuck as many girls as you can, but to find an extremely high quality woman that really does it for you, and keep her.

However, it's IS a numbers game. You do have to fuck a bunch to find the good ones.

Don't contact her again for a week. If she reaches out, invite her over that night.

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Met up with a girl a couple weeks ago. We were both very hungover from the night before.
Anyway we chill, get on well, one thing leads to another and we end up 69ing and i cum in her mouth.
I leave later that night, told her it was fun and it would be cool to do it again. She seems hesitant like shes not sure.
Always make her cum.
Quote:
I get home and she explains that shes worried about getting attached, hasnt been single long and wants to enjoy it.
She wouldn't say this to a guy who made her cum.

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I go down on her, after a while she says shes too tired and isnt feeling it (not exactly her words but thats what she meant).
You're not making her cum.

Quote:
She said her 'body wasnt into it' with regards to me going down on her and potential for sex.
Translation: "You don't know what you're doing, and it makes me unsure about you."

Quote:
And she said she sees me as a friend.
Friend-zoned because you were bad in bed.

Happens to 95% of guys.

the two weeks hesitation was her giving you another chance.

I cannot emphasize enough how important good sex is for women in the 8,9,10 category. They will completely blow you off, cruelly, if you don't get them off. They have guys lined up waiting to try.

There is nothing weird about her behavior. All attractive women behave this way with hesitant, non-dominant potential male sexual partners.

And then they bail.

The good news is, you got the lay. The bad news is, you failed the try out. There's nothing wrong with your "connect" game, obviously, just your bedroom game. Women become obsessed with men who are dominant in bed (tossing them around, flipping them into different positions by the ankle or hair, and not asking, fucking forcefully, and making them orgasm).

Also, a 69 is a bad way to start a sexual relationship, as it's a submissive act as she's sitting on your face. Make a woman feel dominated early on, and save the 69's for later.
This. So much this.

I was in a similar position. Had been talking to this girl for a couple of weeks, met up, made out but couldn't go further due to logistical reasons. After the first "date" she messaged me saying she thought she was ready but wasn;t (she was fresh out of a relationship) but said she wants to be friends and still hang out.

I said yeah thats cool, backed off for a couple of days and kept conversations simple and short, gradually started flirting and getting things sexual again and she responded. Set up a "movie day", she came round, watched a couple of films, ended up banging.

Went down on her and made her cum. She's coming round again on Thursday. With girls like this you need to be very non-needy, keep it light hearted, sexual and fun. If you make her cum, you're golden.


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about the head:

My best guess is it was her period or she didn't shower/clean herself before the deed and felt self-conscious about you eating it. That or maybe she has some sort of thing with receiving oral sex.

about the LJBF:

As for the other stuff might as well take her on her word unless you have reason not to. She wants to get some strange, it's exciting it's new, you're exciting, you're new, she communicated she doesn't want commitment so that's that, my guess is you're not getting with the program and you're psyching yourself out, if you need more from this girl it's likely she isn't interested in anything serious, just a little fooling around on the low with freedom to see other penises when ever.


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