Has anyone read any of the four books of 60 years of challenge? I'm getting really confused. It all sounds meaningful and really well explained but when you go out there it's a different story.

Seductive eye contact, smiling, holding her hand and shutting the fuck up. It's not that bad. I don't have the anxiety to approach girls, heck I love challenging myself every time but when I tried this damn it was harsh. It's really straightforward. In the book it says attraction is already created all you have to do is escalate. But the problem is it's really damn creepy. Said to a girl that was waiting for someone looking at her phone, told her she's beautiful and that I want to meet her, next thing you know, she's off with a wtf face. Next one, I tried holding her hand, look her in the eyes for a few seconds, wait for her to reinitiate the convo but it's really awkward and most end up saying I have to go. What do you do then?

Yes, embrace creepiness, risk it bla bla but I don't get any results from this type of approach. I'm getting really confused between being the social one where you approach directly/indirectly and just carry the convo yourself from then onwards be more social and number close. Or be the seductive guy with the strong eye contact and the fast escalating vibe. I really have no shame. I go out and do it. But I need more thoughts on this matter. What do you guys think? And please don't give me the "be yourself" advice. I've read a lot of information, I can say most things work but in different situations. And final question: does any of you get socially exhausted after a line of rejections? Let me know in the comment section
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No one said it was a magic pill. Keep trying. Most of the members here have trouble escalating . And you're pretty much starting off in the opposite direction and calibrating backwards.

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When I read a book, I just take what I like about it, not everything. I have a little bit of mystery, a little bit of RSD, a little bit of 60years of a challenge.

That being said, don't think too much what work for others. Everyone of us is different and we need different methods to get good results.

60y even said that you should be social at the beginning. So just open as you usually do, just don't do those things that "kill attraction" as 60y said. Later, as you get more rapport with a girl, go full weird mode. Because that is where the attraction is going to get built. That works for me, at least.

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I read it about a week ago.

I tried to apply it for about 10 approaches, and they all bombed. The girls got completely weirded out, especially by the thing where you hold their hand for ages! A few of the girls went cold on me instantly after that and I coildn't recover. I immediately became 'creepy' in their eyes.

In fact, it's funny, because in that book he eve says he WANTS to appear creepy and that 'creepy guys get laid the most'. I personally couldn't disagree more!

This is why field rules all.

If you've approached a good # of women before, you'd know this type of approach is generally bad. It can work, but most often, the more sexual you are up front the less likely you are to get anywhere. Most times I got too sexual with a girl I get rejected.

If you want high/good success with women, you really have to do the opposite of what most guys do. Attractive girls have guys ALWAYS trying to hold their hand, kills them, tell them there 'beautiful' etc etc etc!! Especially in American culture, women are trained to be on alert whenever someone gets too sexual up front. Maybe in other cultures it's more acceptable, but not here. I believe there are worse areas of the country, such as where I am there is a large family influence (San Antonio).

Go down to New Orleans though and there are parades every weekend in the street with college kids drinking with wet shirts...

10 approaches, huh? If a guy said that you can piss on a girl's leg and it'll make her horny, 10 approaches without success won't disprove it.

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I usually start with creepy eye contact and see if she makes creepy eye contact back. Then we get creepy together.

Technique without confidence means nothing...

Its not the technique thats failing, its you.

All of these PUA theories and techniques are pretty much like Fighting Styles.. You have Kung-Fu, Boxing, Wrestling, ju jitsu, etc. etc.. There is no style that is truly superior than the other, there are just people who are more practiced and experienced with the different styles. A beginner Kung Fu fighter is not beating an expert ju jitsu fighter. And vice versa.. Its not the style and technique, its the practice of the people.

Any style you want to be effective has to be practiced and mastered over and over again. You wouldn't read about kung fu, go to one class, and then try and fight 10 master ju jitsu fighters and say " This style doesn't work because I didn't win the fights".. You have to put in the hours that they've put in to see its effectiveness.

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I will add not only confidence, but his problem might also be bad people reading skills.
You do not touch hands or hold hands "mechanically" because it was in some guide. You hold it when you see it would work.

I had NEVER had a single incident where they did not want to hold hands with me when I took them because I was reading the situation and was 100% certain that it would be well reciprocated.
To some people this "never" by me may sound either unbelievable or bragging, but to people who naturally can read people and chicks it would be the same. You just know when it is the right moment to hold her hand and you know that it will be reciprocated. It is not something you do "mechanically", it just happens so to speak.