That's not related to what we were talking about.

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Assertive, you're always trying to get at something, and it's usually headed in one direction.

The dude was trying to evade child support and they were his own kids, okay? She deserved every last damn penny of it too and more.

I am keeping the conversation on what it was about.


That's the point. It's not related. I am talking about when a man during his marriage and his wife gets pregnant. He thinks its his and down the road he finds out it wasn't his. He will have to pay child support after divorce. There is nothing he can do at that point since the law considers him the de facto parent.

There are times when he can dispute but shit....it is a very complex, technical process and very time sensitive. It's not easy.

A prenup will save you money in the long run. Just in case.

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Some men actually get attached to the child and want to actually pay child support. Others don't.

Easy to say when women are the ones protected.




Marriage is romantic in the feelings and experience department. But essentially it's a business contract once you take off your rose colored glasses. It's an agreement that the two of you will come together personally and financially and grow together but doing so without a prenup isn't good for anyone. It's a very romantic feeling that you will be with someone for 50 to 60 years but it's an emotional hope and it's pretty much like jumping out of an air plane without a parachute.

A prenup will handle a lot of legal stuff. If a woman refuses to sign a prenup. RUN. RUN. RUN. Now if I was marrying a woman and she had a lot of money I would tell her to still go through a prenup because it will show her that I am not in it for the money. It shows self-respect. You will save a lot of money and heartache during divorce. Sometimes you can go through a relationship and outgrow one another. If it goes down that route, you will pretty much have everything covered at the end. You don't have to do much discussing.

Prenups aren't just for rich people. It helps you when you aren't rich. If you're not making much, there's a possibility that even losing half a thousand dollars will still hurt in the end. It's a contract that tells the law to fuck off and let both of you decided who's is who's. Back to the case of my 19 year old cousin. If he makes it big, and he gets married without a prenup, ANYTHING acquired during his marriage is considered shared.

Lets say he inherits something passed down from his elders. My family has a family owned diner business. My cousins dad runs one of these diners. If he wants to move up in the family business, he can find himself running a couple of diners of his own. His income will increase. So to say he isn't making much money now, he can if he really wanted to, take over the family business and be making bank. This sole fact is why it will be sad to see the woman pretty much take half his shit IF she wanted to down the road..

He isn't the only doing this. If all marriages required a prenup, I think a lot of people will be better off, not just men.

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OK.

This assumes that you can somehow predict how she's going to act if she randomly decides she's bored and wants to divorce you. How she treats you when she likes you, is completely different from how she'll treat you when she determines that she "wasted all those years on you". At that point, you're instantly her enemy that ruined her life.
Telling me you just "know" how she's going to behave sounds impossible. How many men do you need to talk to that tell you their ex-wife is a completely different person after she turns him into an enemy?

Or do you like to imagine that your screening skills are so fierce and your pimp hand is so strong, no woman can ever turn on you?

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What about men that cheat on their wives?

I've never heard of a woman being forced to pay for child support for her husband's extramarital bastard.

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There's no law in existence for it. Which is why I encourage prenups.

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This is not true. A prenup does not decide or cannot affect child support payments, whether for your child or a bastard.
This is to you and Mr.A. It is highly unlikely that an unscorned woman who married you for love, falls out of love with you and comes after your money. Both of you keep saying the woman can change and turn into an enemy. As if when the guy tries his best to be a good husband, the woman just turns evil and says let me fuck him up. It doesnt happen like that in the vast majority of cases. Now, ex wives can turn into enemies, sure. But its usually not when its just you did your best to be a good husband and she fell out of love. Its usually you fucked her over and she is looking for blood now.

Are the laws beneficial to women in general? Yes. Are there some fucked up cases? Yes. But REALISTICALLY, a chick going from loving to evil doesnt happen like that if you dont screw her over in some way or treated her shitty for a while. Look at it this way, and I'll use Mr. A's example. Women can lie and call rape. And yeah, if your ex gf catches you cheating with a chick, she may be that bitter that she cries rape. But if she just decides, hey I want new dick, she's not going to break up with and call rape. She's typically not going to do much evil shit to you unprovocked. How many chicks turn venegeful when THEY are the ones who just fell out of love? Some do. Most just move on. How many chicks are coming back slashing your tires when they meet a new guy, or the relationship gets boring? When you see a dudes tires slashed, he usually did something.

Fact is less than 10% of divorce's result in ALIMONY. I will say again: a prenup has nothing to do with child support. So 50% divorce rate and 10% alimony rate = 5% chance of paying alimony when you get married. This "the woman will take half" thing is wildly exaggerated. How assets will be divided, is weighed by the court on the nature of the marriage.

The problem I have with both arguments is that it pretends that women go from loving to money grubbing just because they no longer love you. Its not like that in most cases. Like your cousin. Say he gets bank in a few years. His wife no longer feels love for him and initiates a divorce. She's currently (at 19) with him when he doesnt have that money, so she's not in it for the money. Will she turn materialistic and want his money during the divorce? Prob not....if she were materialistic she wouldnt be with him now when he doesnt have the money. What your missing, is you are looking at this chick for what she CAN turn into, ie money grubbing, when RIGHT NOW, she's not. Instead of realizing hey, my cousin has a chick who couldve gone for a rich guy but she's with him, you're not appreciative for the chick she IS, you're pessimistic about the chick she could BECOME.

Marriage is not a completely rational choice. But as humans, all of us make emotional choices and rationalize them. Logic would be, let me not waste my time banging different chicks and focus on wealth. Every bang is time you take away from the logical choice: ie accumulating resources. Every party, every club outing, is not something thats rational, but we do it cause it feels good. Why should someone not get married if that lifestyle, makes them feel good? Your cousin has something you wont have, ie complete confidence that things will be forever. And that feeling is something that you or even myself may never have from our experiences? And maybe his wife makes a bastard and puts him into the child support system. Maybe the worse case scenario plays out. But he's playing big; all or nothing. You want to play it safe. Neither is right or wrong

Assertive, you say you love women, but deep down inside, there's hate lurking.
You're expecting a certain outcome from women. You're set.

I'm not going to sit on my ass here and go, I love men so much. Because I don't.

I like them, but I've bumped into a handful of assholes that put a dent in me.

Like I said. Easy to say when the law is pro-women If I told women they had to pay ME child support, they would laugh in my face. I don't hate women. I am providing statistics.



Neo, you are still arguing from an emotional hope point of view. You are still jumping out of an airplane without a parachute. You are making the same arguments that people who have oneitis have. "You guys don't know anything, I know one day she will like me! I will show you"

You are making the same arguments people who try to get their ex-back do as well "oh I want her back, she was so great, she fell out of love, oh help me oh help me"

and it is you that say "oh you can't change a person's mind, can't control a person's actions etc." But here you are saying what if she doesn't change her mind 5 years down the road. That's an emotional hope. Divorce statistics prove you otherwise. You're basically saying, well it's 70% that she will divorce, good luck brah! And the divorce statistics for the second marriage are even worse.


And you're right, child support won't be affected by the prenup WHICH is why men should protect their other assets. The courts will rape the shit out of you in child support. They will still demand you pay even if you're wife cheats on you and gets pregnant with another man's baby The fact of the matter is, as long as the law says you have to pay for another mans child is easy enough to get a prenup. I'm not arguing the type of women these men get themselves into, I am arguing with the law that requires such a crazy notion. That's insane.

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Divorce is fucking expensive. Some people go into bankruptcy after divorce. Mostly men by the way. You are leaving your shit in the hands of judges and lawyers to split between you both. Don't you think that's one bit fucked ? Prenups are like insurance, you have health insurance, car insurance, etc. The hope is you don't have to use it. What's wrong with that ? It allows judges to make decisions quicker so you guys both go your separate ways

Really Neo ? Smh.
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I'm pretty certain if the woman makes good money, the judge won't award her alimony. Alimony is usually awarded to stay at home mothers who haven't worked in years. Doubt it's going to be awarded to a female physician.

Yes, the courts are in favor of women because for hundreds of years, women got the shit end of the stick.
Look at affirmative action, is it 100% fair? No.

If a man is that weary of divorce, he should go for a woman that earns within his salary range, from similar backgrounds, etc.

You are always assuming for some reason that the wife cheats on the man and gets pregnant with another man's baby and now he has to pay up. What are the stats on that? Why so negative?

I'm sorry, I just can't agree with you on this one. I've seen far too many cases where the woman after divorce still got the real shit end of the stick, being left with no alimony whatsoever while he worked a salary 5 times hers (she was earning very little), and having to fight for child support on the regular.

It's NOT cool when people refuse to take financial responsibility for their own fucking kids.

Not only do these men want to minimize their child support price tag, they also ARE NOT there on a daily basis taking care of their kids, cooking, taking them to school, solving their homework, teacher meetings.
'Cause that's exactly the cases I've seen.

That link you just posted Assertive, ONE IN A FUCKING MILLION.

Please show me the statistics that show that a majority of men paying for child support are paying for another man's kids. 'Cause you sure know as hell that's not the case.

That man has all the right to protest but don't start protecting men that avoid child support.