Hey. I find myself at parties that are dominated by the dance floor. I know that mystery said that the dance floor is a trap, but when there are no ther options, is their any good way to approach dancing girls without seeming creepy?

W/o seeming creepy? Yes. If you are alone, you start dancing by yourself, getting into the music, then start watching for IOI's. Smile, strong EC, etc. IF you have any moves that you use that will catch attention, use them while you are dancing by yourself. This shows the girls that you aren't afraid to dance and that you have some skill. At this point, you will receive some IOI's. Proximity is another one. So, if a set starts getting near you, you're almost in already. Turn your body toward them and start closing in the gap. Basically, dance near any set and if they aren't interested, they will turn themselves away from you. Now, don't take one of the girls turning her back on you, yet being right in front of you, as shutting you out, because in this case, she's inviting you to get up against her.

If you are with someone else, use the social proof if it's another guy, and if it's a girl, use the social proof AND preselection to your advantage. Just let them hang around you, let the girl actually start dancing with you, and you will get immediate IOI's from surrounding girls. When that happens, ACT on those IOI's, because they won't last long.

I read a post today about opening girls on public transport, which could be tweaked slightly for dance floor sarges.

You could write the following in your phone and show it to her:

"Hey, if it wasn't really really loud in here, i'd so be getting to know you right now "

It's a direct form of approach and requires confidence and good body language more than anything else. You could add to it, change it or make it more colourful to suit your own style.

Mystery's right though - the dance floor is a trap. It's too loud to disarm, neg, DHV and so on. My belief is that you're limited to just simply letting her know you're there, but in an interesting way, which could then generate a level of familiarity between the two of you. You might see her shortly after in a quieter part of the club and pick up where you left off. It's just a stepping stone I guess. Not tested yet, but will do very soon.

I admire and respect Mystery. The man is brilliant in what he does and teaches. However, the dance floor is not a trap, as explained above. I use it all the time.

I suppose it all depends on the context your operating in. I can see you use a lot of body language techniques, so your able to sidestep the trap with relative ease, which is great.

But for classic MM execution, the dance floor will remain a trap.

No offense, and I hope this statement will actually end up boosting your game, but only in your mind man. I also learned and use classic MM at times.

The approaching on the dance floor equals proximity, just as it does when you approach off the dance floor. The opening isn't NECESSARILY verbal on the dance floor, although it can be. Sometimes it is body language. The attraction and comfort building aspects are simply more physical and less verbal than if you were off the dance floor. That's not saying there's not any verbal. And, once the dance is over, isolate off of the floor. It's not as hard as you think.

P.S. Body language is vitally important whether you are on OR off the dance floor. Every girl will be watching body language, so you better be as well.

Absolutely my brother, although I never said anything about body language not being important.

The issue is sarging on the dance floor, not body language. Mystery didn't say the dance floor was a trap for fun. The dance floor is loud. You are rarely heard on it. It defies MM rules. But I'm not a slave to MM my brother. Like I said, guys may adopt some other way of sarging on the dance floor, and you obviously have. That's great.

I fully accept that sarging on the dance floor is possible. Never conceded that it was a no-go area. If you accept that dance floor sarging requires a different approach from more mainstream pick up approaches, then you accept that the dynamics of the dance floor impinge on tried and tested ways of running game.

Nope, I don't accept that. In fact, the only reason for that thought is because a tried and true method isn't mainstream . . . yet.

Yes, the dance floor is loud. Just as other areas of the club tend to be as well, unless you are very far from the dance floor. BUT, that gives you even more of an excuse to have the girl lean her ear to your mouth.

Now, look, I'm not arguing, just trying to open minds up.

Of course my brother. You're doing well opening up minds. You can clearly sarge on the dance floor. That's fantastic. My point is just that MM is tried and tested and doesn't work very well on dance floors. The onus is on respected bretheren like ourselves to develop new angles, and you are clearly doing that. That's what this is all about.

Need to cut it short there my brother. Off to sarge...

I agree with LAtripp 100% on this one regarding his refusal to simply accept something that mystery says like many do and state that the dance floor isn't a trap.

I personally believe dance floor game is the next step in PU and a few of the people in the casanovacrew and I have decided to act accordingly by spending countless amount of time on the dance floor.

#1 thing to remember when your on the dance floor is to have fun and be in the moment. When you are in the moment and having fun you aren't htinking, your dancing! Your creating such a strong vibe that women will be so attracted to you and will enter your proximity allowing you to open or simply wait and they will creep closer and cloer.

Also, DON'T TALK ON TEH DANCE FLOOR!
there is no need
ever
If you want to talk to her, isolate OFF the dance floor to the smoking patio or seomthing. No need to talk while grinding, it will only ruin the moment. Even when your opening, you don't talk. You grab their hand forcefully.

I'm not going to go into my dance floor game but lets just say that it is VERY solid... however, still with room for improvement.

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I think the opinions contained in this thread are semantically different but converge on a similar level. But I suppose we can question what we mean when we say the dance floor is (or isn't) a 'trap'. It might be trap to some guys who see verbal communication as a priority. On the other hand, it might be a trap to some guys who can't dance well. It might be a trap for guys who are claustrophobic! Who knows. It's all relative, personally and culturally.

Alright Tripp is completely right. I even have a method for the dance floor, because I love to dance, and alot of 9s and 10s do as well

Alright, first of all. As a whole men don't dance as much compared to women, most of the time they are dragged into it. With this in mind, just being a guy out on the floor will get you attention.

Method

A: Before going out on the floor scope it out. See where the girls are at. Alot of times there are groups of girls dancing because there is no guys. So you get on the floor and work your way over there. Start dancing near the set. The girls will come to you. They want to dance with men, they want to grind on someone. Once they come to you, now you have social proof. You are fun and outgoing. Thus more girls will start to gravitate to you. While on the dance floor when this is happening girls change partners alot, thus you have time to select your target. Once you find her don't stop dancing with her. At some point she will get tired, or the DJ will stop and change the music. Here is your oppertunity. You have been dancing with her, thus you already have DHVed. Now get her and her friends to join you off the dance floor. Start running routines/negging your target. Game on!

Alright some tips as to doing this. First of all, if you aren't a good dancer and don't feel comfertable doing this, don't do it. Secondly, to get girls to gravitate towards you quicker, bring a pivot. By doing this you are DHVing.

Dancing is fun, and their are very hot women who do it. Don't be afraid to try this if you think you can make it work.

Heres my advice, dance a bit, turn over your shoulder to the group and say something incoherent. If the music is loud enough they will ask what? Then still off to the side of your body use a opener. I take a couple of steps away like your looking for someone... When they reply then you have the green light to face them, especially if they open the circle up. I like to use the wheres the smallest bar here at type opener then tell them your friend is looking for you over there. After that ask a quick question about a very minor detail on their body or makeup and start with the negs and so on and so on...