Wow. What a month.
Here's the 60-second recap:
Spent the first 11 days of the month in Manhattan.
Had an interesting couple of days at home.
Went to Lake Tahoe for 6 more days.
Finally, got home a couple of days ago and am now readjusting to a more normal life.
So much to unpack from that whirlwind.
I'll try to start at the beginning, hopefully the formatting can help with readability as this is going to be a long one... (you've been warned motherfuckers, ha!)
NYC Reintroduces Daniel to Daygame, and It's Non-Game Benefits
I had my first real, replicable success with game in nightclubs. I had always been a partier in my early 20s so unlike a lot of guys, I felt pretty comfortable in these settings. All I really needed to do was banish a fear of approaching and escalating and I was off to the races.
Nightgame is actually pretty easy when you crack the code.
It basically boils down to recognizing that phone numbers are 95% worthless and you are therefore approaching and escalating for a hookup before closing time. Time works against you, so you must move swiftly. That's like three skills: approach, escalate, handle logistics.
Unfortunately, those three skills can be very hard to get through from a fear/mindset perspective because they basically require you to come from the proud position that you're a disgusting, sexual Dirtbag who wants nothing else but to fuck. That's a great, healthy mentality, IMO, but it's VERY tough to cultivate for myriad reasons.
That said, anyone who read what I was posting in 2012, when I was no longer really doing the nightlife thing, and trying to learn how to get girls in "daygame" (I kind of hate that word, but will use it for simplicity and ease of clarity), will know that I've long had a love-hate relationship with it.
Most of the hate comes from misconceptions that I discovered as I was becoming good at it. These are mostly marketing claims that are just completely untrue. Off the top of my head:
1) Daygame is the great equalizer.
Or something to that effect. I think what happened is a lot of the gurus and marketers realized that much of their clientele was introverted, intellectual, and more reserved. They didn't like loud bars and clubs. They didn't want to deal with large mixed groups. They didn't want to yell. They wanted to talk, be conversationalists with a girl one-on-one, etc...
So the PU gods and gurus said: Hey, anyone can do daygame!
The problem there is daygame requires one or both of the following: a very crowded, densely populated city with high foot-traffic and public transit use OR a lifestyle where you are able to basically be out and about in the world enough to make up for not living in one of those cities.
The outcome is the same: you can do lots of approaches in any given week. Why? Because guess what - daygame requires more skills than nightgame and take a lot of practice to get good at. I believe it requires the same skills as nightgame, modified and calibrated to a different environment, and then added to with good conversation skills, interesting stories, etc...
I fortunately, have/had the lifestyle part so I made it work in a medium-sized city. But it took like 6 months to get consistently hot girls from it and that was coming from a place of already being good with girls in other setting.
2) Daygame gets you hotter girls.
This one is laughable. It may get you proximity to hotter girls since you're not roped off from the hottest girls at the tables like in a club, or dealing with white-knight bros clinging to their hot girl social circle in a bar... but at the end of the day, if a hot girl isn't interested in you when the sun goes down, she's not going to be interested in you while it's out either. If you're a zero, you're a zero... and you need to work on yourself.
3) Daygame is less flakey and more receptive.
Not really. Actually, it might be more flakey. Here's why: in a bar, a girl is more likely to blow you off and just say no if you ask for her number. In the day, there's a lot more social pressure to be polite and it's way more awkward for her to say no, so she just gives you a flakey number. This applies to them being receptive too. Sure, they may be polite when you first approach, but remember: they are probably going somewhere, running an errand, or something else. They may actually be HARDER to stop and engage in the day.
OK, so all of that said, I believe daygame is really valuable.
First - as I've mentioned before, it's basically day-to-day insurance. Hot girl strolls up next to you at Starbucks and you have a chance.
Second - it's probably the most similar form of "cold approach game" to getting girls in social circle and lifestyle/hobby type interactions. The problem with those is it can be hard to practice since the pool of talent is low, so daygame lets you get at least some similar practice in without being a pariah in your social circle for trying and failing to fuck every girl in the group haha!
Third - and this is the intangible one that I LOVE MOST - daygame is a trojan horse for simply getting you out of your head while your out and about in the world... stopping you from thinking about what you have to do tomorrow... or what happened yesterday at work... and getting you to interact - in the moment - with the world around you. Suddenly, you're interacting with strangers more. You're talking to everyone (guy, girl, young, old, short, fat, etc...) simply because your engaged with the world. You're noticing everything around, enjoying it, etc... Things like commuting to work, walking to the corner store, and running errands become exciting little social adventures.
I felt so much better each day because of this. More alive. Less stressed. More social and friendly and positive. And that's lasted as I've gone about my days since.
I've always said daygame (and really any non-nightgame) is all about just being curious, playful, and flirty and in effect, this is just carrying that mentality over to everything and everyone you come across. It's glorious.
So all that said, daygame in NYC just sort of naturally "happens." You don't even really have to try. You walk and ride the subway so much it's almost unavoidable to get at least a couple of approaches in each day. Stores are so crowded that it's just way more likely that you head down that aisle and BOOM! hottie on aisle 6!
Anyway... over the course of 10 days, I just sort of "floated" into about 30 approaches. I'm not an approach machine so I think that's pretty good. I don't really go out of my way to approach. That's another stupid daygame thing: these guys that actually "go out daygaming" and literally run girls down on the street. Not a great thing IMO. Just go about your day and talk to the babes who happen to be nearby doing the same thing you're doing.
Of those, 30 or so approaches, I think I got 6 or 7 phone numbers. All but one of those flaked. And unfortunately, I wasn't able to meet up with her until about 2 hrs before I headed home on a weekday afternoon for coffee. So nothing really happened there although she has texted me with some regularity since so probably a good prospect next time I'm there.
Most of my approaches probably fell into a few categories:
--Girls walking same direction as me on the street. I open these girls like a normal person, usually observing something about them, like how they are dressed, the shopping bag they are holding, etc...
"How was work?" ... "How was your workout?" ... "What're you listening to?" ... "Did you buy some delicious groceries?"
--Girls on the subway. Pretty much the same thing. Opening on the book they're reading, how's they're day going, headed anywhere exciting, etc...
--Girls next to me in line at store, or in the same aisle or whatever.
So, this probably brings up two questions:
What about girls walking towards you on the street?
I don't really bother. I'll smile and sort of ping for eye contact, maybe even wink, and if they smile back or giggle, I'll get them to stop. But this is really hard, very low percentage and unless you have some sort of indication that she thought you were cute, you're better off just going on with your day. You are headed somewhere after all, right?
Why don't you open direct?
Look: I think all good game is direct at it's core. But my experience has taught me that opening direct is only good as a last ditch effort. In nightgame, it's different, but in daygame, unless you absolutely can't think of anything else to say, I'd rather you open like a normal human being making conversation. Even from there, if I'm forced to go direct at the spur of the moment, I'll usually compliment something like shoes or hair or pants, so it's more about style (another normal human conversation) than about them personally.
I think regardless of what you say, you want to have positive energy, be upbeat, have a friendly look on your face, and slightly more animated than her. That's kind of approach 101, but bears mentioning.
It's funny, each day I sort of remembered key little things from back in the day. Things like it's important to get her to stop if possible. An insta-date is the best outcome (because it either makes a phone number more solid or even gets you a hook-up that day). You have to keep her from ejecting early because that's social convention - polite, hey how are you, I'm good, byebye type of conversations. Few people actually stop to have real conversations.
It wasn't until the last day or two that I was like "Hey, I remember how this works!"
Daniel Blows Shot at Slaying a Perfect Booty
Here's a telling example:
I was on the subway. Technically, it was night but it's all the same on the subway on a Wednesday. Maybe 11pm or so and I was headed home after dinner with a friend.
At the other end of the car was a gorgeous mixed race girl. Painfully hot. She spent the entire train ride reading. She wasn't anywhere near me or I would have chatted her up during the ride. But as chance would have it, she shared the same stop with me. So we exited at the same time and as we were walking out two things happened:
1) For the first time I saw her ass. It was created in heaven. Gigantor begins to stir inside my pants.
2) I exit alongside her and ask "What're you reading? Must be good. You were glued to it the entire ride."
She immediately makes huge eye contact, beams a big smile, and says "This" while showing me the cover. It's Steinbeck.
I'm like "Wow, that's a classic. Good for you. How is it?"
She replies. What she says is less important than how she's saying it. She is hooked. Smiling, talking... looking at me like I'm the highlight of her day.
In other words, it was on.
So we continue like this through the subway station. And here's where I'm rusty:
We reach the exit and are headed in opposite directions. I didn't even think about it and as I go left, she's like "Well, I'm this way" as she stops, dead in her tracks, and points to the right. She's looking at me with this open-ended, inquisitive body language and hopeful look on her face.
And I'm so not even in that mindset that like a fucking idiot I go "Oh OK, well have a nice night."
STOP STOP STOP. FUCK YOU DANIEL. YOU'RE A FUCKING IDIOT.
Yes, this was a huge misstep.
She said that hoping, praying I'd do something about it. Her stopping and saying she was going the other way was girl-talk for "Hey, I think you're cute, I'm enjoying this, I want you to lead it further." Practically no girl will stop to say that, so this is as good as it gets gents.
And I fucked it up.
Let's think this through: This is the West Village. There are bars, restaurants, and coffee shops packed on every block. It's also 11pm on a weekday, so like me, she was probably headed home and therefore had NOTHING on her agenda.
I could have easily seen if she wanted to continue chatting over a drink or coffee.
From there, we'd go get that drink and I'd then escalate like a slimball and slay her rotten for hours afterwards
Or... if she was like "Oh that'd be great, but I have to get up early for work" or whatever, I could put in a very solid tentative plan and number like "That's cool. What're you up tomorrow? We should continue this... OK cool... how about 4pm? ... Good, OK here put your number in my phone and we'll figure out the details in the morning..."
Epic fail. But good to type it up to learn. God, that ass. I would have eaten that thing for days [yes, serious, I'm a dirty fuck].
Dudes, a lot of success is about how persistent you are and how willing you are to control the direction of the interaction. I failed that here. Let that be a lesson.
Holy shit... this is a novel... and we're just getting warmed up... breaking this up to multiple posts.