I've probably asked this before but is a kiss on a first date necessary to get somewhere? I usually don't kiss any of my first dates. It just seems very awkward to me as your meeting for the first time and just getting to know the person. I was just curious what others thought? And how many of you kiss on a first date.

You should be thinking that a kiss is the minimum that you want on a first date.

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You've gotten friendzoned from your dates alot and rarely get second dates. Just saying, maybe try something new, ie kissing on first dates and quit wondering if anyone else does.If something isnt working you change it. So at least go for the kiss and see if it helps. Alot of shit feels awkward, you just gotta do it and if it helps, keep doing it. Think of it this way, if everyone here said it was fine not to kiss and you kept not kissing, would your results change? No. Simple rule, change stuff thats not working for you.

are u serious mate?

u must kiss her as soon as possible and do not over-complicate the things!

you do not have to care what she thinks about it...just go for it!

u know what is if u do not,right?? Friend-zone!

up to u...

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you need to bring your A game. Focus on the interaction, the seduction...a kiss is just icing on the cake.

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ok no probs I didn't know a kiss on a first date was that important. Other girls I've spoke to don't always kiss on a first date and have told me that they like you more if you don't kiss them.

That's absolute garbage.

As Eddie Fews once said: If you want to catch/kill a deer, who do you ask for advice? The hunter or the deer?

Don't ask girls about picking up girls.

This has already been answered, but NO you don't have to. So long as the sexual tensions isn't diffused you can take as long as you want to kiss the girl. The problem is, most guys have trouble not falling into the frame of " does she like me" if they don't kiss the girl within the first two dates. I didn't kiss my last girl until the 5th time I saw her. She had been to my house, and all.. Spent the night too, but would just turn her head everytime I went to kiss her. I just thought it was funny. I had no doubt that she was sexually interested in me. I think every woman is sexually interested in me even if they aren't. I just choose to live in that reality.

More importantly than kissing her is just believing that she wants you. I've been friend zoned by a chick that I had sex with on the first date in the past. So all you NEED is the proper frame. Everything else just comes second to that.

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I respect your line of thinking Eddie. And you know I'm a fan of your advice, in general... But look who the OP is! (No offense Moose) --- Every one of his posts is a chronic cry for help in escalation.

He lost the last chick after 10 dates without escalation. I simply feel that telling him it's OK to take it slow and easy is going to stunt this guy's progress, that's all. It's arming him with another excuse not to escalate.

How dare you say "no offense" lol..

Yeah. I get you.

I just get to thinking this is the "Pick Up Artist" forum.

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Understood... And please don't take that the wrong way... Eddie, we've talked and you know I'm a fan... I am always excited to read Eddie's posts because they always offer another way of thinking to how I normally operate.

@Moose - All of these replies are different so you can take your pic. I personally don't think you are a place, confidence wise, where you can harness what Eddie is telling you to do and still get away with it... but hey, maybe you are.

'NEVER' ask to girls anything about pick-up...just remember: 'they do not know!'

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