As a side point...there was a time when I believed like cupid that doing the ballsy stuff actually generates some attraction. But it really doesn't. It's just more marketers hopefully thinking. Asking for sex doesn't get her to think you're entitled or have confidence...it's more likely to make her think you're desperate or have social problems. There are guys who just grab girls asses before saying anything and girls don't think wow he must be confident..they just think he's a perv and desperate. I think it was choc or someone else here who made the good point that asking for sex when you're getting blown out isn't pushing your comfort zone. Thats true because you didn't have the chick in the first place so you're not risking anything. If the girl likes you and you are ballsy...she may think you're confident. If she doesn't and you're ballsy she just thinks you're desperate.

Hey mate, when I youtubed your video I also came across a prank stunt where the guy in the video asks 100 girls to have sex with him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxyySRgrYsU

He didn't get ONE SINGLE YES, and this guy from what I could see had more confidence than either of us - good body language, voice projection. He knew how to make eye contact and get the girl's attention - they weren't paying more attention to their phone than him.

So I think that if a guy like him can't get results doing this, then regular guys like us don't stand a chance in hell.

But a straight up "can I get your number", seems to have better results. Whether most of the numbers are fake or not I don't know but it seems to work a lot better.

Yeah, and I said it works.

I said asking for sex up front doesn't. Or VERY RARELY, like 1 times out of 100 and for a guy that is super-confident. The 'apocalypse opener', or whatever. It's lame shit.

Huh?

He's not investing much in his approaches though. It's just pretty much this:

Him: Do you want to have sex with me?
Her: I have a boyfriend.
Him: Oh, okay.

He's not using it to initiate a conversation, which makes sense because it's just a silly prank video. If he really invested himself, and didn't give up at the first hurdle, then I say it's likely he would of achieved greater results.

An opener is just an opener. You can think of and say the best opener in the world but for the majority of the time you still have to follow through with your MO in the ensuing conversation.
I've tried out the Apocalypse Opener in the past and had very little luck with it. I've also tried other magic bullet type stuff and found that things like that just don't work for me. I don't mind being direct but not in a way where I expect to receive a 'yes' straight off the bat.

Last opener I used was 'Hello. I've come to try to pick you up. I'm pretty tired tonight, it's pretty terrible. What's your name?'. It's just what came to my head at the time and I was being myself. The girl didn't answer straight away though and before I could continue another guy came in engaged in conversation with her. I have bad luck so who knows what would have happened if that guy didn't interrupt things.

Openers don't matter too much to me. Sometimes I just go up to women and stare and have them open me instead to which I say some weird things like as follows:

Her: Are you okay?
Me: I don't know how to pick up women.

Her: Are you okay?
Me: I don't know what to say.

Her: Hello. How are you?
Me: Good thanks. How are you?
Her: Good...uh, is that it?
Me: Mmm, yeah, I'm at a stage where I just like to look. It's a bit weird isn't it?

Sometimes I actually get tired of systematically saying and asking the same things. If I was the OP I would get sick of saying things like:

- Your face or hair or whatever just glows.
- You have a really artistic vibe. You must do something creative?
- Don't tell me. You must be a nurse.
- Oh, that's so cool. Give me a high five for that.

I don't blame the OP for keeping on saying those things though. You've got to have some system otherwise you won't know what to do.

The problem is though after you've done so many approaches and not had any success it just becomes a chore to keep doing the same thing over and over again. It becomes robotic and I can't stand it.

People say the last video the OP posted (with DA) showed improvement. The OP himself said that it went well and the girl seemed to actually be into him. I however didn't find the video very entertaining myself. All it was was the girl talking about being in the army for 10 minutes pretty much. If he did 10 approaches that went in the same fashion I'd guarantee he would start to get sick of it.

What I find keeps things fun sometimes is looking. It's something I haven't focused a lot on lately which I should try to get back into. Looking where you want to is fun. I remember with one approach there was a lull in the conversation and I just aimed my eyes downwards and look at the girl's cleavage. When I did this she started to adjust herself. I then looked back up and then looked down again, and she adjusted herself again! I found this highly amusing.

Sometimes I get myself off by approaching someone and just having a good old perve. Looking at legs or breasts and making a compliment on the outfit. Trouble is I'm not horny all the time. Sure, I want to get laid of course but when at the club or whatever sometimes I'm not in the mood for 'perving'. Same as if you might not be in the mood to watch porn at the moment (even though you wouldn't mind if some hot blonde suddenly just jumped into your bedroom through your window). And so even looking can be a chore and just seen as another tool to utilize to in trying to pick up women to fulfill the ultimate objective - which is to get laid.

Sinn claims to have done this experiment years ago(in bars). 235 nos, kicked out of six bars, finally a yes. But bear in mind, while Jon can pull attractive women, he also bangs fat chicks, and I'm guessing his "yes" was a fat chick.

JHA91, seems to be saying that if instead of wandering up to 100 women and asking for sex, wandering up and asking for a phone number would get a lot more "yes". But that those numbers would probably be flaky. Which I agree with on both fronts. I think if you just walked up and asked for a number, you get some girls who would do it. But those would probably amount to zero. I've never done it either, as it seems like a waste of time.

It's not far off from what Vince Kelvin does(do not click this, he spits too much game for a mere mortal to witness). He prides himself on getting 70 numbers over a weekend. Some of those girls even send him mass texts!

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I just think that it's unnecessarily risky when you can go indirect or get her number and sexually escalate at a later stage, and will probably get more results - be more efficient in terms of time/effort/approaches made anyway. And you have to say dumb shit like,

"oh you've had a boyfriend for 5 years, oh well he won't mind, you only get to live once right!?"

...which is just slightly offensive as well as unethical, if you're trying to get her to cheat. I can't see why you can't just be confident but also be respectful. Women will appreciate the fact you're cold approaching and that takes guts. You can be direct, but there really is no need to be blunt or disrespectful!
Man that guy has good game, respectful confident salesman-like approach. I like (but also slightly envious), thanks for sharing!

If you're making numerous approaches and not having any success you're doing something wrong.

You don't want to be yourself - you want to be your amusing and confident self. The fact that you're opening women with lines that indicate that you're unsuccessful with women is NOT a good idea ,and further shows that your inner game needs some toughening up.

Open with something teasing, amusing, and funny. If you must come up with something in the moment, make it a situational opener. About their clothes, shoes, hairstyle, etc. Sometimes I will tease them LIGHTLY about it. Sometimes I just open with "what are you drinking". The words don't matter, but whatever you say should display that you're a fun, confident person, and should be said in a manner congruent with this - e.g. smiling, decent tonality, and willing to touch.

OMG, no!
That was an ironic post. Vince is terrible. I think the only "PUA" I've seen who's worse than him, would be SoicalKenny.
Vince does not get laid. Not even with the fat girls he hits on. And he hits on FAT girls.
Phone numbers are almost useless. They're only valuable to set things up for a date. If she wants to go out, cool. Get her number, even if you don't have a set time. But just getting phone numbers is basically a dead end.

I may have to stop making sarcastic posts. Even when I think I'm being over the top, it seems like people keep taking it seriously(sort of like my RSTyler sig).

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That guy wasn't engaging in conversation, he was saying "Hi, want to have sex". If he said "Hi, can I have your phone number?" he would get more "yes"es, but those numbers would be quite worthless.

Phone numbers from women you don't know well can be solid, provided she's interested in you. I'm saying that poor old Vince is wasting his time. Running up to a girl and saying "Hi! Give me your number!" is rarely going to work.

What you're talking about is wildly different. You're talking about getting a number after having an interaction for several minutes. The only way "Hi! Give me your number" would work, is if she sees you and thinks "Holy Shit! He's hot!".
That's always what I do. I either do something with her right now, or else I make it clear we're doing something and that's why she's giving me her number. I never just ask for a number. That's quite worthless and ends in chasing a whole bunch of rabbits down holes.

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You mean Social Kenny isn't the god of pickup I imagined?


Gasp!

So who DO you guys think are good PUAs (apart from the guys at the top of the page)?

Nick Krauser
Tom Torrero
Roosh V
Mystery

I just watched a Nick Krauser approach and I don't know if he approaches like this the whole time but he was just going on and on about boxing. I mean, how many girls are going to be interested in boxing?

And this pretty much explains why you're having these problems.

My list(they all have free blogs and lots of free content):
60 Years of Challenge
Chase Amante
Good Looking Loser
Aaron Sleazy

And locally here on the forums, Skills360 is quite helpful. I've learned a lot about club game from him.

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