My New Years this year started out awesome, then got really weird really fast.

She's is smoking hot and dressed sexy. But she seemed cold and businesslike, wanted to talk more about work and what we did for a living in the car; always looking away from me as we talked, or staring straight ahead and never turning to me.

We get to the place. We share stories; we both drink a lot; she loosens up.

Then sure enough, this hot girl does what hot girls do:

- People are coming up to her and saying stuff at random and she's giving flirty answers, then they move on.
- with one, I said "guys we're on a date here, just so you know." She later told me she thought I said "so you should go" but I corrected her.

--- How do you guys handle this?? Your hot date is the hottest chick in the room, and people are coming up and introducing themselves, when clearly you're on a date. Lots of girls, and sometimes couples ----

- She meets the gf/date of the dude next to me in the bathroom and they do nothing but chat when they gets back. Then they leave to go dance.

The dude is actually pretty cool and I told him if a dude moved in on her I'd fucking deck him. He said "you serious? I've got your back man, let's go watch 'em."

Ball drop time. We ended up in some area where lots of ppl were near a screen. I toast with everyone at midnight. I move in for the kiss, girl turns to the side saying she doesn't kiss on first dates.

A guy she's gotten to know whispered something to her like "come on, he's your New Years date, you've gotta kiss him." She gave me a quick peck on the cheek.

Later, she scooted up next to this guy on the couch looking at his phone (before we had been seated at close, but separate armchairs; it's what the place offers.)

I leaned into her and said, "Are we not on a date together?" She says "We have the same hometown." Toledo.

She came to life and was flirtier, and more affectionate, than she ever was with me.

Later the dude (younger, taller, and better looking than me) asked me, respectfully, if he could dance with her, and said it'd only be for a little bit. I said "cool"

Frustrated, I get the check (split of course), pay and walk out, leaving princess in the venue with all of her new friends.

She txted me later: "you left me" and "it was just random dancing"

So who was right or wrong here? What is there to be learned here, and did I handle this the way a "real man" or "player" does?… Because I'm wondering what the fuck else could've done…

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Lol? Zmg. No attraction, no kino, no DHV - only DLVs the.whole.fckn.night. Thats what u did wrong. Her value rose and rose u'rs dropped and dropped. I myself completly lost u @ : she go's dancing with another guy.
"Why, thank you, kind sir." LOL

Nextime:

1. Observe her.

2. Slowly check the crowd’s reaction from left to right.

3. Smile in friendship.

4. Quick, sharp kick to her stomach, double-middle finger to her face.

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5. And only THEN rape….on the floor in front of the entire bar/club.

Stone Cold Awesome Rape! Then leave the area dropping a smokebomb.

Comone learn to game more before u get mad at HER dancing with some guy. (Onurdate)

Seconded. You DLVd pretty hard the entire night. Also, that's the reason why I would not bring a date to a PARTY. You just cannot expect not to be bothered.

PD: Also, don't forget to assert your status as the alpha male of the venue by staring deep into the eyes of the other guy as you whip out your hard, pulsating cock. Do not break eye contact at any point, not even as you ejaculate. That'll show them.

On a more serious note though...

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No I was touching her and stuff; same as always. I'd have an excuse to touch her and play with her hands; like some bracelet she's wearing, etc. I'd have my arm around her, sort of feeling her up while we talked. I'd play with her hair. She seemed fine with all of that but would NOT kiss me.

Where did I DLV? How did I *do* anything that whoe night to DLV?? Sounds to me like my fate was sealed with this girl as we are walking into the place.

I know what DLV's are and have seen them.

- A DLV is using some shitty opener that doesn't work and getting blown out with the whole venue watching.

- A DLV is sitting in the corner checking your phone for an hour, not saying a word to anyone.

As far as the interruptions and like, the dude asking if they can dance, how do you guys handle this?

- If you say you've got a problem with it, you're a controlling, possessive asshole. She in fact asked me if I was when I told couple to move on.

- if you say you're cool with it, you're a pushover, and risk being cheated on or played, and EVEN told IT'S your fault because you should've been on top of it.???

Wtf gives??! Was it me or the girl here?

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I've been to parties. Parties are fucking hard. The girls worth a second look are with guys. It's couples everywhere! -- except a random fat chick.

The best setup if you want to feel like an outsider if I've ever heard of it. So I figured the best way to handle this is simply BE one of those "cool guys", BRING A HOT GIRL and be one of those untouchable, too good couples. That's what I figured ...
Okay
No, I'm not, but somehow height came up in the conversation.
In most cases, a guy and girl.

What would you have had me do? "Antisocial as possible at a party?" Sit by idly, not saying a word? Letting people just keep coming up and interrupting? People are watching you, and how much of a pushover you're being, that's why they come up. Had I not interjected those times, I can't imagine how many more douchey couples I would've had to deal with.
Fair enough; no, I can't really say I was being pushed out, or that anyone was particularly aggressive.
I know, that's why I'm here.
My cold approach game is so dismal; you amplify that by trying to walk into a New Years Eve party, an inherently couples-ey event, and you're setting yourself up for failure. So I was just supposed to start walking around and trying to poach unattached girls, probably being told "goodbye" each time??!!

Another thing Guys, you have no fucking clue how unprepared I was for this!!! I had no clue to expect that my date for NYE was going become this relentless quest to keep a stranglehold on this girl, while people are all coming up and dudes who have "a lot in common with her" are FUCKING TAKING HER AWAY TO DANCE?!!!!


Is it normal to expect this and know that you'll soon have to break off from your date and game the room??! Do you realize how fucking bizarre that sounds??!

I wonder if she kissed this guy; maybe while they were dancing...
I'm not sure what your angle is here, but it seems more like an effort to just tear me down.
Well, all I can do is hope not, and move on. I'm still fucking fuming from that. But about the group, it was mixed crowd, with other people I'd met along the way too, so that's what kept me there.
Sabotage??! You're the one calling me naïve for sticking around!! Now all of sudden I actually should've stayed??

See above. Who knows if I would've had a little success. But again, nothing could've prepared me for this.
Fair enough, but I still don't see how I "DLV'd" myself, rather than it just being the situation.

- Using some shitty opener that doesn't work and getting blown out with the whole venue watching is a DLV.

- Sitting in the corner checking your phone for an hour, not saying a word to anyone is a DLV.

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Okay, so far I've gotten some ridicule about my view on it being respectful that the guy asked for my permission.

"Why thank you kind sir"

and

"Yeah, because New Years Eve in clubs are just like wedding receptions in the 1950's."

So do you let the girl go dance, or say, "No, I don't want you going and dancing with another guy." (that certainly seems confident and secure!)

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U dont know what beta is? Or lowering your value?
Look at all your beta moves and dlv's

She's is smoking hot and dressed sexy. But she seemed cold and businesslike, wanted to talk more about work and what we did for a living in the car;
DLV, u lead the conversation. She cold u freeze her out colder.

always looking away from me as we talked, or staring straight ahead and never turning to me.
DLV, u let her iod + she's uncomfortable. Comfort, compliment then neg, push-pull push-pull.

We get to the place. We share stories; we both drink a lot; she loosens up. This is a drinking chick because she also knew brands of vodka I'd never heard of.
This is the time u kino. And let everyone see shes ur girl.

Then sure enough, this hot girl does what hot girls do:
BETA

- People are coming up to her and saying stuff at random and she's giving flirty answers, then they move on.
major DLV, when they come, u immediatley get in the set by introducing yourself, then dhv then LOCK IN! LOCK IN! LOCK IN!. This is so important. After u tell a dhv-line u take a step back lean against something and keep talking. They now need to lean/step into U. Now they r with U ffs. Instead of u standing there like a douche/3th wheel while other people laughing and having fun with your girl. Remember lock in...

- with one, I said "guys we're on a date here, just so you know." She later told me she thought I said "so you should go" but I corrected her.
lol another major DLV , thats what? A complete series of DLV? Lol ur the alfa u the life of the party, u dont get groggy at people, u laugh. U make fun. Now here u were a jalous jerk. The gameplan here was to get cocky and funny an hour ago when more people interfered.

--- How do you guys handle this?? Your hot date is the hottest chick in the room, and people are coming up and introducing themselves, when clearly you're on a date. Lots of girls, and sometimes couples ----
u DHV lol. Show ur girl ur high value by being fun and nice to these people.

- She meets the gf/date of the dude next to me in the bathroom and they do nothing but chat when they gets back. Then they leave to go dance.
lol this is getting boring... dlv dlv dlv. Omg u let her make all the fun while u stand there like a snob waiting, doing nothing. Girls smell this sh!t. Pull her out and tell her on a funny way that u are here and there is where her attention should be. Then suggest doing something more fun than chatting dancingwith her gf, like taking some shots meeting some of UR friends, etc.

The dude is actually pretty cool and I told him if a dude moved in on her I'd fucking deck him. He said "you serious? I've got your back man, let's go watch 'em."
zmg. Serious? U what? 15 16 years?

Ball drop time. We ended up in some area where lots of ppl were near a screen. I toast with everyone at midnight. I move in for the kiss, girl turns to the side saying she doesn't kiss on first dates.
lol now u know why. DLV all night and get this major shittest. After this, BAM, freeze out andgo. dance/talk with another girl like u just dont give a shit.

A guy she's gotten to know whispered something to her like "come on, he's your New Years date, you've gotta kiss him." She gave me a quick peck on the cheek.
U let HER make al the descisions kid? Major DLV dont have to explain.

Later, she scooted up next to this guy on the couch looking at his phone (before we had been seated at close, but separate armchairs; it's what the place offers.)
Shes unintrested in u by now, shes just doing what she wants cause shes leading the whole freaking night.

I leaned into her and said, "Are we not on a date together?" She says "We have the same hometown." Toledo. lol this is so lame, someone explain this guy what a DLV is. Wtf u doing? This is so beta and insecure to say.

She came to life and was flirtier, and more affectionate, than she ever was with me.
yes, and not for U lol, but for herself ofc, to not come over as a total whore. Nothing to do with ur beta reply.

Later the dude (younger, taller, and better looking than me) asked me, respectfully, if he could dance with her, and said it'd only be for a little bit. I said "cool"
loooool, lower value again again and again, u should make fun of him, destroy him playfullplayfully or just respectfully deny. Manup, and then u turn to her to make her feel guilty. " U actualy would dance with this guy while im here hahaha! I didnt know u were such a person, well go off then! Dance ! " Shell rethink that dancing now lol. Wtf is this : "cool"
i lold.

Frustrated, I get the check (split of course), pay and walk out, leaving princess in the venue with all of her new friends.
This is where u lost the girl. U let your self know you so bad. This completly destroyed any chance left.

So who was right or wrong here? What is there to be learned here, and did I handle this the way a "real man" or "player" does?
lol? Really?

You're a fucking jerk off. We were sitting the whole time. And at this place you don't want to lose your seats.

What kind of dumb shit answer is that??

ME: The girls wanted to go dance.

YOU: DLV DLV DLV DLV!!!

What a bunch of ignorant, unsupportive bullshit, Mr. 4-posts. Go fuck yourself. You're not helping, except for the few grains of truth.

Maybe she was running the night by then.

She commented earlier that she doesn't like possessive assholes who try to control her.

Not kissing on the first date a shit test? What then, grab her face and force yourself on her?

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Was this your first time meeting this girl? What were the other interactions like?

Ah now were talking! Take control. Be the alpha. Learn.

U were saying something like Happy newyear and giving some natural kisses that come with this sort anniverserys Even then she blew u away. Lol wut? Ofcourse shes shittesting, next time u say
" Here hold my drink, im going for a piss. "


Ps im not saying u should be the possessive asshole who try to control her. U the guy gaming her while she doesnt have a clue.

Did she know that you guys were on a date?

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If my response was brash, it's because you don't treat people like that in the forums dude. Totally unacceptable; not when its people coming here in good faith for honest advice, instead of being ridiculed.

Now people who DON'T follow the advice given, and from their follow ups, they're clearing doing the opposite of what's told, that's a whole different story.

One member of this forum made quite a few waves a little while back for doing just that. I won't say his name publicly but you can pm me for it; odds are, you probably know who it is.

But you don't just recite a guy's whole story adding DLV DLV DLV DLV!!! To every sentence.

Totally unacceptable.

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Pretty much what Analingus said. Also, don't get all defensive here. If anyone is taking the time to reply, it is to help you, after all. I know that it sucks and that you didn't see the situation coming and that it kind of overcame you and all.

It sounds to me like you have a pretty poor inner game. I don't know what kind of parties you usually go to, but personally, I also went to a party, and even though there was a few couples, I was making out with 2 girls at once by midnight. OK, they were 7s, but still. It was a pretty fun start to the night. And there was more adventures to come... Either way, what I am saying is that, unless you went to the shittiest party ever, your beliefs are greatly limiting yourself. Work on that.

Also... Dude, what the hell is so wrong with other couples coming to talk to you? There literally is 0 threat coming from them and they make your group more solid! It's literally one of the better things that could happen to you! Introduce yourself and have some nice conversation with them; it would be a good past time in order not to bore your girl as well. If you, as you said, sit there idly not saying a word, yes, that is the literal definition of antisocial and your own damn fault!

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We met online, it was our first date. I know, a little irregular, but I didn't see anything wrong with it, and she was all for it. We had texted a lot before hand, for like weeks almost. Her personality was not the same as her texting.

And yes people didn't know we were on a date, to answer someone else question.

Also guys, this is something I need to let you guys know but this kind of behavior like someone suggested that I should've playfully made fun of the guy when he asked if He could dance with her, thr cocky funny, push pull, neg neg neg, The stuff just doesn't come innately to me.

But will you guys say unequivocally, because I still don't know the answer yet, that it is unacceptable for a guy's date to go dance with another guy, during the date?

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Right, wrong, inequivocally... The world's not black and white.

Let's just say that you don't own this girl, and that she is free to do whatever she wants to. But if she chooses to dance with another guy during your date, that is definetly not a good sign, and I think it should be quite self evident why.

Or, in case it is not evident: It is not good because it shows she has more interest in that guy than in you. Also, it's arguably quite disrespectful to do that during a date.

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